Talk:Vista
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[edit] INCLUDE BEUNA VISTA!
Beuna Vista, Walt Disney's distributing company, should be included. --PenaltyKillah 02:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Redirect to Windows Vista
Shouldn't this just redirect to Windows Vista? How many people visiting this article will care about the VA's finance solution software or whatever that is? --Lucent 03:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. Martin 12:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
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- I disagree. This disambiguation page is fine as the default target. For example typing "XP" doesn't immediately take you to Windows XP... there are well-established prior meanings of "Vista", including towns and mountains with that name. -- Bovineone 02:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
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- You can't compare this situation with XP: XP has two common meanings inside IT community, one for Windows XP and one for eXtreme programming. But what other Vistas have you ever heard of? --Ondrejsv 14:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Certainly there are other things that use the term Vista, but our objective should not be to hold up some torch for unpopular previous uses. I'm frequently annoyed by the geek bias of WP articles, but this is certainly not a case of such bias. Windows powers 90%+ of the world's PCs and this is the name of its next incarnation. Possibly 99% of encyclopedia visitors are looking for this use of Vista and there is no doubt we're wasting their time showing them that government turnkey medical software has the same name as well as the atmosphere of a fictional story and Chilean telescope. --Lucent 22:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
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- Seriously, this page not redirecting to windows vista is stupid. Seriously. Stop kidding around. 64.40.46.223 02:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Seriously. 64.40.46.223 02:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Lol, thats a wonderful Cartman-esque argument. Although, I do agree. How about moving all this to Vista (disambiguation), then redirecting Vista to Windows Vista and on that page putting an {{other uses}} tag. Sound good? There certainly seems to be a strong consensus here - Jak (talk) 00:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
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- While consensus wasn't reached on whether or not the article should be moved I think we can all agree that Windows Vista is what the vast majority of people searching "Vista" would be looking for. To better accommodate that I moved Windows Vista up one level to the top of the software list. That should make it easier to find and less confusing to people searching Vista. sean 16:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was no consensus for move. Joelito (talk) 22:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Vista → Vista (disambiguation) – Rationale: almost all people arriving at the Vista page will be looking for Windows Vista the major upcoming Windows operating system. It has been proposed that there be a redirect, and at the top of the Windows Vista article there be an {{otheruses}} tag —- Jack (talk) 12:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Survey
- Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
- Oppose. Vista is a very common term that is well established. Just because there is a new use, is not justification to make a change like this. Even if the majority of the hits are for the OS, there is still the issue of not directing people to the wrong place. This is likely to happen a large number of times. Don't lose sight of the number of entries in the dab list already. Vegaswikian 23:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. The page should be reorganized for navigation, but there is no need to move a product with a perfectly disambigged name to clobber an inaccurate shorthand. Compare NT, XP. --Dhartung | Talk 07:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Common term that should not be assumed to exclusively reference the OS. -- Bovineone 14:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. Very few people will type Vista and expect to get taken directly to the Windows Vista page. They should be more than happy to click on the first link. Many other entries are referred to as just Vista (the place names, for example). --Usgnus 15:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I searched Vista expecting Windows Vista. If the vast majority of users typing Vista expect to be shown Windows Vista, as I suspect will be the case, there is precedent for having the small minority have to go to a disambiguation page rather than have the majority go through that hassle.--Thud495 19:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. the current format is the same as XP and Windows XP. Crumbsucker 04:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Vista has too many more significant and long standing meanings besides Windows. Dbchip 16:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. People who use Wikipedia should understand its nature. Disambiguation pages are very common for terms with more than one possible meaning/reference, and Vista is no exception. -- Horncomposer 08:31, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Support. I had never heard any of those other uses for the term Vista before heading to this article. I came to this article just because of Microsoft's operating system. 128.187.80.2 19:38, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Support. Yes, these other uses should be represented, but in a seperate disambiguation page. 99% of people will be looking for the OS - Jack (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. While I do agree many will search Vista expecting the OS, it does have other uses of the name and the official name is Windows Vista not Vista. Zujik 15:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. rationale is false premise. Those who want MS Vista might just as easily go to Microsoft rather than wikipedia GraemeLeggett 11:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion
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- How can someone know, much less prove, that 99% of the searches will be for a particlar use? Vegaswikian 18:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
- Whenever Microsoft published official promotions of the OS, it must legally use "Windows Vista" and not simply "Vista", due to the trademark being granted to the full name (it would not have been able to get a trademark on just "Vista"; same for "Microsoft Office" vs "Office", or "Microsoft [Office] Word" vs "Word"). This other article [1] describes some of the other legal implications of the Vista naming conflict. Wikipedia should try to not intentionally further complicate and perpetuate the misuse of non-official abbreviated names. -- Bovineone 02:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
