Talk:Visconti-Sforza tarot deck

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[edit] Game stub

The Visconti-Sforza deck was not related to the "occult" I took the liberty of substituting "game-stub" for "occult stub" as there is no evidence this earliest surving tarot deck was used for "occultic" purposes. This deck was designed to play early tarocchi card games Smiloid 00:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion

Seeing as they were not one "Visconti-Sforza" family but rather two different families, I'd suggest moving any relevant and reliable information to the respective pages for the House of Visconti and House of Sforza and delete this one. / Havard 22:12, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Since nothing has been said to oppose the suggestion, I have now marked the page for deletion. I have copied any relevant info as mentioned above. Havard 18:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Two different families? This is a patriarchal view. In this case the matriarchal continuity may be more important. See Catherine Jagiellon.
Anyway, maybe this article should be moved to Visconti-Sforza Tarrot cards. -- Petri Krohn 22:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
There are already substantial articlea on the Houses Visconti and Sforza. It is based on that I don't see the need for a joint Visconti-Sforza article with redundant and only partial information. I'll support a move as suggested, to sharpen the article on the deck, which seems to have some notability. Havard 21:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing cards

I recently read The Castle of Crossed Destinies. In the end note (written in 1973) Calvino states that the Tower and Devil cards were lost from the pack -- split between Bergamo and a library in New York (forget which one). Have examples been found since, or are the ones that I have seen on the web artists' hypothetical replacements? — Eoghanacht talk 17:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

In an answer to my own question, this source confirms the Tower and Devil are lost. I'll presume, then, that any Viscoti-Devils or -Towers are modern conjectures. — Eoghanacht talk 17:40, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] translation inserted

From the italian article, via the translation request page.

Some remaining issues:

  1. Argentato - silver coloured or silver coated?
  2. Some of the information (if not all of it) is present in other articles, but I'm not sure what belongs where.
  3. Citations were missing from the original on the "controversial" dating and numbering of the cards, on the transfer of possession, current location, commissioned studies etc. I'm sure it's out there, but I don't have the time right now to check.
  4. Should I be using the terms "major and minor arcana" or "court" cards - i.e. are these appropriate terms for early tarot decks?
  5. Is there another term for non-major arcana, non-court cards? I've used "pip" "numbered" and "non-face" without much consistency.

I'm busy until after Xmas - I'll have another look then for duplicate info and citations. Anyone else - dig in if you feel like it - this might include deleting the whole thing and moving the info elsewhere.

Agraba2006 09:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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