User talk:Viriditas/Archive 8

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Contents 1 Welcome to the Fact and Reference Check WikiProject 2 My RFA 3 Templates as communication tools 4 Schiavo burial 5 Giggles 6 RfA thanks 7 Category Substance abuse 8 Films and Movies 9 Substance? 10 lots of edits, not an admin 11 houseing 12 Substance & drugs 13 Shoah (movie) 14 Sorry 15 Uthar blocked 16 RFC on SlimVirgin 17 Reverting vandalism 18 Thanks 19 POV-check 20 new vfd 21 Test templates 22 duplicated article content 23 Thanks for reverting vandalism 24 My User Page 25 Re: Hawaii Issue

Welcome to the Fact and Reference Check WikiProject

Dear new member,

Welcome to the Fact and Reference Check WikiProject!

No doubt you're familiar with what our noble (and somewhat lofty!) goal is, and I'm really glad you've decided to help to try and make it a reality. Thank you so much for helping out in our noble cause :)

You might find the biweekly special article interesting. Every fortnight, an otherwise good article that lacks any sources is chosen, and the Fact and Reference Check team works collaboratively to add references to the article. The current biweekly special article is Johann Sebastian Bach.

Two convenient templates for adding references are {{an}} and {{anb}}. By specifying a footnote name (eg. "which_university"), these templates allow us to link to notes effectively.

For example, if you want to reference which university somebody went to, simply add {{an|which_university}} next to the fact. At the bottom of the page in a seperate "Notes" section, add {{anb|which_university}}, and then your website or book. Wikibib can be used for generating correctly-styled references. Titan (moon) is a good example of a nicely referenced article.

If you have any questions, feel free to leave a message on the project's talk page. You can also contact me personally. Thanks for joining, and taking the time to read this!

— Frazzydee|✍ 01:58, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You're right— it should have been one ref. I've made the change as you suggested. Actually I think that Bach has been the biweekly special article for way too long (must've been at least a month now!), so I'll probably change that soon. -Frazzydee|✍ 19:49, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for supporting my RFA. Guettarda 00:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Templates as communication tools

I was just thinking about that! Thanks for clueing in me in about the subst: keyword. I think that was what I really should have used. It fetches a one-time, static copy of the boilerplate text.

The problem with using a template for this is:

• It fetches a "live copy", and if the template is edited, the changes to the template are reflected on every page that employs the template.

Thanks for catching this. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 11:36, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

I'm the webmaster for another wiki, and I pioneered the combination of templates and headers to facilitate editable sections. It's not used in the English Wikipedia (yet), as far as I know. But try this out:

Template:Vechat

Schiavo burial

Actually my "very nicely put" wasn't directed at your edit, although yours tidied up the section nicely. I was commenting on the engraving Michael had done for the plaque. And as I said, it was more elegant than what I would have done. Those ashes would have been in an urn on my mantle for many, many years. Duckecho 13:32, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Giggles

I probably should not be posting this, but seeing (missing period (You can help!)) as an edit summary is just too hilarious (in a certain perverted kind of way) to pass by without making a comment :))—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 13:33, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for your support for my adminship. More importantly, thank you for your many contributions to Wikipedia. Cheers, -Willmcw 07:00, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Category Substance abuse

Hello,

The category you created back in April, Category:Substance abuse, is on the block to be merged into Category:Substance-related disorders and subsequently deleted. I thought you might be interested if you are no longer watching the category page. The nomination for deletion and discussion are found at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_18.
Courtland 23:44, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

Films and Movies

I've called for a vote to rename Wikipedia:Naming conventions (movies) to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films). Please see the discussion on the talk page. BTW, I have been fixing double redirects, although I am leaving single redirects as is. "Movie" has bothered me for quite some time, and recent events have shown me that other Wikipedia users find the use of "film", "cinema" and "movie" schizophrenic. Now that the Category and template are called film, I thought that making the dab changes were called for, but I can wait to hear what others think. -- Samuel Wantman 06:21, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Substance?

Sorry, but neither the Wikipedia entry on Substance nor any dictionary I could find call 'substance' in this context anything else than a euphemism, or at best a synonym. Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors, and I see no reason to use a euphemistic cat name. Thus my vote stands. Yours, Radiant_>|< 12:21, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) June 28, 2005 04:14 (UTC)

houseing

please see talk:houseing for my comments. -Beezly 28 June 2005 17:25 (UTC)

Substance & drugs

Hi there! Sorry I never got back to you about that, it kind of got lost in the shuffle. Busy week, and all. Yours, Radiant_>|< July 4, 2005 09:42 (UTC)

Shoah (movie)

The whole "Anti-Polonism" thing is showing up at Shoah (movie) again. I'd appreciate your insight there. Jayjg ^(talk) 5 July 2005 03:09 (UTC)

Sorry

Viriditas,

I'm sorry about commenting on your page in re Uthar Wynn's comments. I saw his note there and simply responded. You're right to think, as I assume you do, that they belong more properly on the Schiavo talk page. Regards, ~ Neuroscientist | T | C → 22:51, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

Uthar blocked

Hi Viriditas. Uthar vandalized your user page after you warned him about 3RR, and has now been blocked. Ann Heneghan 23:08, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

It wasn't your talk page: it was your user page [1]. He also used a dishonest edit summary (spelling fix). He may not have realized he was breaking the 3RR. One of his edit summaries [2] suggests that he thought a partial revert wouldn't count as a revert, and he was adding other material. Regards. Ann Heneghan 23:18, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

RFC on SlimVirgin

I have filed a request for comment on SlimVirgin. You can visit the page by going here. FuelWagon 22:17, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I have also removed some entries under the "evidence of disputed behaviour" that had been inserted by another editor that went beyond the original intent of the RFC. I have ammended the summary of the RFC to list its two specific goals: that SlimVirgin's edit contains too many errors to be reinserted into the article and that she has held herself above any criticism of her edit. There seemed to be a misunderstanding of the scope of the RFC. Hopefully this clarifies. FuelWagon 18:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my Simple user page. After dealing with a persistent vandal for a week, it's good to know there are those who want to make Wikipedia a better place. – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 13:59, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

You're quite right I have been bad with both the edit summaries and non use of the preview button. I will try harder in future. As an aside posting a tutorial rather than just complaining is a very positive and helpfull way of drawing "sinners" like me back into the fold.

Thanks. 62.253.64.14 17:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

POV-check

It's customary, if you put a POV check template on the top of an article, to state on the talk page exactly what POV problems you think the article has. Often, the disputed POV will be a small part of a long article. David | Talk 10:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

new vfd

The prior VFD that you voted at ended with no consensus, a new VFD has been opened at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Historical persecution by Muslims. ~~~~ 18:45, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Test templates

Hi, please do not take this the wrong way, I understand the reason why you reverted the changes, but every other user at least made an attempt to discuss it on one of the talk pages involved. If you used the templates by themselves w/o the header you added, ie {{test2}}, you would not have formatting issues. Many of the users use them in that manner, and you can even check the "what links here" to see how many of them are jumbled together because they don't have headers. I only ask that you at least take the time to look and/or comment on the discussion pages, to see if anyone gave any reasoning for the changes or proposed changes. I don't mean to seem rude, and I hope you didn't take it that way. I was just trying to improve the usage of the templates for the entire community. Thanks for your time. ∞Who?¿? 06:53, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the reply. Yea, on this particular occasion I decided to do a live demo, rather than wait a week. I spoke with everyone who either liked them or disliked them and made improvements. When I seen no further consensus to keep or change, I left them be. I didn't think of the secondary sub-headings until I did the hr, and told everyone I wasn't going to change them any further. Thanks for the suggestion though. I figured if anyone wanted to improve on what I started they would either add it (some did) or mention it on the talk page. Most everyone responded in one way or another. I just wanted to at least talk with you directly since you didn't leave a message before or after the change. I have learned from recent experience that the edit summaries aren't the best communication. I still hope I wasn't too offensive with my wording. For now, I think I'll just leave it be, until I have a chance to setup a non-live proposal. Thanks again for your understanding and the reply. ∞Who?¿? 07:20, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I misunderstood what you meant by second level, thanks for the clarification. Acutally I did, and that was a bad mistake :) Two users immediately and accidentally edited the template instead of the user talk page they were using it on, because they clicked the header edit link. So I switched to the hard line. I was considering the third level === this ===, but didn't get that far. Thanks again. ∞Who?¿? 07:24, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Yea I thought the same thing about the headers, until people did actually edit the template. Like I said though, I only did this one live, because there was no better way to demo it, other than in use. Thats mainly why I wanted your feedback on it. ∞Who?¿? 07:48, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

duplicated article content

Hi - There was a mediawiki bug that's recently been fixed that caused content of a page to be duplicated when editing a section. It appears User_talk:Viriditas/archive3 was affected by this bug. Just letting you know so you can fix it if you care to. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:57, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting vandalism

Thanks for reverting the spam/vandalism that was placed by 203.127.203.17 on the Xanadu House article (that I wrote most of), I didn't really ever expect to see someone place spam on that article. — Wackymacs 13:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

My User Page

Could you please not edit (dare I say vandalize) my user page again? I am quite upset about it. Coqsportif 10:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I am an Hawaiian. I was born in Hawaii as were my parents and two of my grandparents. My parents live in Hawaii in a home I personally own (long story). I am currently studying outside of Hawaii and will return upon graduation. I consider myself an American first and an Hawaiian second but there is no question about whether the category fits. I'll wear it and I won't bother questioning your ethnicity or connections with Hawaii. Nor will I remove the category from your user page, as you did to me in a fit of what many might see as vandalism. Coqsportif 12:14, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

If you wish to dispute a user's claims about their location, feel free to do so on their talk page. However, there is no burden of proof associated with adding a category to a user page in any Wikipedia guideline or rule that I can see. Pleasee feel free to correct me my pointing one out. Meanwhile, I will continue to support Coqsportif in maintaining his user page as he sees fit, within the Wikipedia guidelines. -Harmil 12:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Ignoring the absurdity of the claim that putting a cat link on your user page is somehow "trolling", you seem to feel that saying "I am an Hawaiian. I was born in Hawaii as were my parents and two of my grandparents. My parents live in Hawaii in a home I personally own" indicates something other than what it says. The category is not "Category:People whose primary residence for the majority of the year is Hawaii", and I see no reason to suggest that the above claim to membership in the category is incorrect. Please refrain from editing Coqsportif further. -Harmil 12:54, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

That was a tad too harsh. I'm sorry. Let me re-phrase: the claim is that he is Hawaiian. He has re-stated that claim here. We're done. -Harmil 12:56, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I hope this is the end of this very unseemly episode. For the record, if anyone else is interested in my birthplace etc, drop me a line would be happy to chat. Coqsportif 13:02, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I'm interested, why don't you email me using the "E-mail this user" link to the left. After all, you never answered my question as to which island you come from. --Viriditas | Talk 13:16, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

What is the point of this? Simple rules to follow here: There is nothing wrong for the user to claim to be from and/or living Hawaii and therefore you have no right to refute that claim. Just let it go and I do not really see how this affects you. If you have a beef with the user take it up elsewhere. Basically: just don't do it again and happy editing to everyone and don't forget to smile =). Sasquatch↔讲↔看 20:30, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Viriditas, you will note I said anyone else, that excluded you. I won't feed trolls. Coqsportif 21:06, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

No offence intended, but you do seem to bear some sort of a personal grudge against User:Coqsportif. You can't expect him to prove he's Hawaiian, so why can't you just take his word for it? Adding a category to one's own user page can hardly be construed as 'trolling'. And just the fact he's taken a picture in the UK doesn't mean he's British - that would make myself a citizen of at least a dozen different countries. Relax, man. - ulayiti (talk) 23:50, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Hawaii Issue

Very well, either way, you should probably not edit other people's user pages unless it is to remove a personal attack or something that is against user page policy. I am sorry if I sounded a tad harsh before and can now see it has been a huge misunderstanding between various users, myself included. Regards and happy editing =). Sasquatch讲看 01:18, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

I double that. I knew about his issues with the Israeli terrorism VfD (I was there), but thanks for informing me further. He seems like trouble - someone could do something about him. I congratulate you on your efforts on keeping a watch on this user though. :) - ulayiti (talk) 13:07, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Please do not misrepresent your activities. You repeatedly have sought personal information from me, about my birthplace and so on. I find this to be highly intrusive and something I cannot imagine any reasonable person doing. You have discredited yourself by acting in this manner, you are compounding it by misrepresenting the situation. If you like I will post the many requests you made for my personal details. Coqsportif 14:03, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

People from Hawaii or living in Hawaii enjoy discussing the islands and have no problem identifying the name of the island they call home. The fact that you can't even talk about it makes me question the veracity of your claims, and further strengthens my belief that you've been trolling all along. You've also asked people to "drop you a line", yet you haven't provided an email address in your preferences. --Viriditas | Talk 05:12, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I am sure you are a good editor and wish you well. But I think our interaction should cease here. I have no problem discussing home, all day long. I miss it very much. In your case, you have been very aggressive, hostile and trolling and demanding information that's very personal to me. I think we should just back off from each other, you do your thing and I mine. I am happy to provide my email address to anyone who asks for it, in a non-troll context. So good luck and good bye. Coqsportif 12:00, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Greetings from a fellow Hawaiian Coqsportif 09:48, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Where is the love? Coqsportif 12:03, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

You archive quite regularly. I admire your diligence. Coqsportif 12:06, 13 August 2005 (UTC)