Talk:Virginia Trioli
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An anonymous user disputed the neutrality of this article, but failed to actually point out any problems with it. Every fact in it is sourced and more details can be provided as necessary. Reithy 14:41, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I put these notes on the page, because I don't know enough about the subject to edit this entry myself, but based on basic sentence you put down in here like
"Virginia Trioli was awarded a Walkley Award for independent journalism excellence after attacking Peter Reith, then Australian Minister for Defence and a member of the Liberal Party" "She hosts a low-rating programme that is consistently beaten by well known controversial journalist Derryn Hinch. She has used the profile given to her through the promotions of the ABC to attract other paying work, such as a regular column in The Age and hosting functions for a variety of private organisations. Her critics say it is unethical for her to use the ABC for personal profit." "is known to comment on planning applications and property proposals from many developers in Melbourne and fails to disclose her own interests with industry organisations."
etc... you obviouslly have neaturily problems, and I want somebody who knows more on the subject to hopefully come and even out the article. basically the entire page is an attack on her without telling me who she really is. Plus with what other edits you have made on Badnarik I'm suspicous of you as an editor anyway 203.112.19.195
The above is entirely true and neutral. Cease your anonymity and I'll have a discussion, otherwise buzz off. You are just an annoyed promoter of the obscure joker Badnarik and you've sought to obtain revenge by attacking my article. That reveals the true nature of your credibility. Reithy 23:01, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- OK then, here is a non-anonymous user commenting on your article: you have some very, very clear NPOV problems here. Adding the phrase "Her critics say.." to the start of a sentence where you bash someone does not get around these problems.
- "She has used the profile given to her through the promotions of the ABC to attract other paying work" - POV.
- "Her critics say it is unethical for her to use the ABC for personal profit" - cite a critic, please.
- "Trioli applied to attend the University of Melbourne and was rejected." - relevant?
- "In one of her books, she mentions only her graduation from the University of Melbourne yet omits LaTrobe University." - relevant?
- "Her ABC biography mentions both but does not disclose she only spent one year at the University of Melbourne but spent four at LaTrobe." - relevant?
- "Trioli is believed to be interested in a political career herself." - believed by whom?
- "At the Age newspaper, she has used her column to settle personal scores" - POV, needs cite
- "In addition to her ABC salary, Virginia Trioli also receives money from organisations like the Urban Development Institute, an organisation funded by some of Australia's leading property developers" - needs cite
- "She is known to comment on planning applications and property proposals from many developers in Melbourne and fails to disclose her own interests with industry organisations." - needs cite
- "She owns property in Howard Street, North Melbourne and has been criticised for demanding local and state funding for nearby parks and other nearby facilities without disclosing her financial interest in her demands." - criticised by whom?
- Frankly, there is hardly a sentence in the article which does not have POV problems. I have restored the disputed tag, please do not remove it again without responding here. —Stormie 01:33, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV Tag
The Rhobite version seems well written and uncontentious. I have removed the NPOV tag. Once an article is fixed it should be removed otherwise it makes the Wiki articles look pretty silly. If this concerns you, please list below why the NPOV tag should remain. --Maustrauser 00:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] VT is surely NN
VT is not-notable. The following journalists with much greater standing and impact do NOT have wikipedia entries.
Mark Davis - 5 Walkleys
Jenny Brockie - 3
Bruce Belsham - 2
Norman Swan - 2
Janet Hawley - 2
Chris Masters - 3
or, multiple winners like:
Paul McGeough - 5 Walkleys including Journalistic Leadership
Evan Whitton - at least 3
Gay Alcorn - 3
Sally Neighbor - 3
Peter Cave - 4
Bruce Begg - 4
Arthur Hudson - 3
Paul Rigby - 3
Craig McGregor - 3
There are numerous journalists - too numerous to mention - who have won 2 Walkleys that do not have Wiki entries.
Also one of the Walkleys won by VT was accepted on behalf of the 774 drive team - this is made explicit on the Walkleys site - though T has always claimed it as her own.
Also, since when does less than 8% of a radio audience constitute 'prominent and highly notable'.
I suggest that Wiki should steer clear of potted biographies provided by radio stations or individual 'subjects' as being source material for its entries. We are wasting our time on this non-entity. Melbob 03:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
- All of these people are notable. Trioli is just the first one to get an article. There are plenty of sources for information on Trioli - while the station biography is a good place to start, one could also try one of the 132,000 Google hits or 2000 Factiva hits. Please take your issues with the subject of the article somewhere else. Rebecca 06:16, 17 May
2006 (UTC)
Well, could you please take YOUR obsession with this subject somewhere else. Google is a long way from being a comprehensive reference source on anything, and is of almost no use at all in determining the "notability" of subjects although I know how difficult it is for most people under the age of 30 to come to grips with such a crazy notion. Melbob 02:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
- The main problem with the Wikipedia that it is not complete yet. All the people mentioned by Melbob are notable and deserve an article each. I urge both of you (Rebecca and Melbob) to stop edit warring and write articles about other Australia Radio personalities. You seems to know a lot about them. Happy wikiing abakharev 06:24, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
The page now reads accurately. Virginia Frances T (born August 12, 1964) is an Australian journalist and author. She was a prominent ??? prominent - is this verifiable???
journalist at Melbourne newspaper throughout the 1990s, and won a Walkley Award
(the Australian equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize) since when do prizes have 'equivalents' - what is the relevance of this qualification -the Walkley is NOT an equivalent to the Pulitzer
for her business reporting. she won it for a business story - not her business reporting
She subsequently moved into radio, and currently hosts the (a) morning show on Sydney station 702 ABC,
a role in which she won a second Walkley Award in 2001.
She did not win it in this particular role
The Walkey page specifically says she collected 'on behalf of the 774 drive team' - you might want to reference the website ie she was part of the 774 drive team that won a Walkley awardMelbob 03:38, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Why do I have to repeat everything? We need evidence she was 'prominent'. She did not win WA for her business reporting. Her team did. No one could compare WA to Pulitzer. And is it possible to 'compare'prizes from different places and cultures. She did not win 2nd WA at 2bl.Melbob 05:11, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
- Great edits both of you. We now have a completely accurate, helpful article. :) Rebecca 06:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
