Talk:Viper Room

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[edit] Recent deletions

I don't agree with the deletion of the two paragraphs, certainly not for the reasons given. I'm not even familiar with the music yet I know the names System of a Down and Neurotic Outsiders and the latter article if you read it makes significant reference to the Viper Room. The "oldest band" item isn't "arcane trivia" as it's an indication of the diversity of the venue over the years -- it has hosted not only the newest rock bands but the two longest-running rock bands of all time. I'm sorry, I need a much better reason than "minor band promotion and arcane trivia" before I support deletion. 23skidoo 00:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Lots and lots of bands played there, including ones much more famous than the ones added to this article by their fans. Lest this article get swamped by arcania like many other wikipedia articles do, I have deleted it. I could prove my point by adding 100 names of bands that havce played the viper room to the article that I feel are "famous" but that would be silly. Cshay 05:34, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Based upon this precedent I have deleted the references to The Doors and the arcane celebrity trivia (hundreds of celebs have gone to the Viper Room, of course). Of course what's left is an article that says nothing about the significance of the place beyond the fact it was owned by Depp and Phoenix died there. 23skidoo 15:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I have reported your vandalism to the admins. Please take your troublemaking elsewhere. Cshay
I beg you pardon, but I happen to BE an admin. I really suggest you bone up on Wikipedia Etiquette. You're making no friends this way. I have rolled back the edit. Now, I'm not going to go past the 3RR on this. If you want to put it back, please explain why we can mention The Doors and Jennifer Aniston but we cannot reference Rolling Stones or the other groups. 23skidoo 22:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
You're clearly a rogue admin, with a vendetta. Cshay 22:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Like all articles, the material here must be verifiable from reliable sources. We have the official website which lists some of the major acts that have appeared there. Beyond that, what sources do we have? I agree that it has a reputation for attracting celebrities, but listing attendees individually seems pointless, even if we had a source for the info. -Will Beback 22:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] London Fog

I've looked around for a source on the London Fog thing and I'm pretty sure it's not true that it was at the Viper Room's current location.

Everything I can find says that the "London Fog" was in the space that is now Duke's Coffee Shop (8909 W. Sunset), immediately west of the Whisky. It does seem verifiable that The Doors were the house band at the London Fog and started as the Whisky's house band the day after being fired from London Fog.

I believe the reason the Viper/London Fog connection was made up is that the Viper Room was used as the filming location for the "London Fog" in the movie The Doors. Mike Dillon 05:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

This seems like a good synopsis of the Sunset Strip in the late 60s, early 70s: "Sunset As Memory Lane". It's quite clear, as are many other more anecdotal references, that London Fog was adjacent to the Whisky, where Duke's is now. I would simply remove the paragraph, but there is a London Fog (nightclub) redirect pointing here, so I'm just noting the reference here so I don't lose it. Mike Dillon 02:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I've created a short article for the old nightclub at London Fog and updated the London Fog (nightclub) redirect to point there (I could see London Fog becoming a dab page). I removed the incorrect statements from this article about the London Fog and replaced them with a mention of the Viper Room being used as the filming location for the "London Fog" in the movie The Doors. I added a reference for the fact that it was a filming location, but I left other references in the London Fog article itself. Mike Dillon 20:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reason for deleting wikidate overlinkage

It's per Wikipedia style guidelines. This from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Avoid_overlinking_dates

Avoid overlinking dates
If the date does not contain a day and a month, date preferences will not work, and square brackets will not respond to your readers' auto-formatting preferences. So unless there is a special relevance of the date link, there is no need to link it. This is an important point: simple months, years, decades and centuries should only be linked if there is a strong reason for doing so. Make only links relevant to the context for the reasons that it's usually undesirable to insert low-value chronological links.
Usage of links for date preferences
  • year only. So 1974 → 1974. Generally, do not link unless they will clearly help the reader to understand the topic.
  • month only. So April → April. Generally, do not link
  • century. So 20th century → 20th century. Generally, do not link
  • decade. So 1970s → 1970s. Generally, do not link (Including an apostrophe [1970's] is incorrect)
  • year and month. So April 1974 → April 1974 Generally, do not link
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