Talk:Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act

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This page is really a mess. Very strong pro-gun bias. I'm going to make a few changes now, but it's really in need of a complete rewrite before it is neutral. Katahon 22:26, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)


A folding or telescoping stock A pistol grip A flash suppressor A grenade launcher A bayonet lug

It should be noted that these features are purely cosmetic; none increase the lethality of a weapon (grenades, being explosives, are already heavily regulated and restricted, and any long gun with a folding/telescoping stock still must have a minimum length of 26 inches). An AR-15, which is an "assault weapon," functions identically to any .223 hunting rifle.


For the sake of NPOV, lets take a look at these one by one. Obviously a bayonet lug ban is a cosmetic ban because they don't ban it in and of itself but only if one of the other banned elements applies. Grenade launcher too is obviously cosmetic since the grenades are illegal. What about flash suppresor? What about pistol grip? Pistol grip from my limited experience seems to suggets that you can hold the gun in like the rambo sort of way instead of up to your shoulder. This to me seems to be a more then cosmetic advantage. Did every gun you can hold that way get banned? It doesn't seem to say that because it doesn't say that feature was banned in and of itself, but only if the gun had another banned feature. A folding or telescoping stock also seems to be a more than cosmetic feature, but again why wasn't it banned simply. How do those two or more features work together in a way where the whole is greater then the sum of its parts?


Well, firstly, a flash suppressor does nothing towards hiding the flash of the gun against the vision of people in front of it, or even to the side of it. Rather, it is used to supress the amount of flash visible towards the person shooting the gun, and even then, it only really works at night.

Secondly, it is well-neigh impossible to actually aim a rifle, assault rifle, machinegun, etc., when it is fired from the hip, Rambo style. Doing so only leads to highly inaccurate fire, regardless of whether or not you are using an automatic weapon.

Thidly, a grenade launcher is of questionable use, as most private citizens who own a weapon that was deemed an "Assault Weapon" are unable to acquire grenades, unless they are simply duds for display purposes.

Fourthly, a folding or telescoping stock IS more than cosmetic, but not exactly as much as a grenade launcher. A folding stock only really serves for greater ease in transporting or (although the length of the gun may negate this advantage) concealment. A telescoping stock, depending on the type, may provide aid to the shooter's comfort when aiming and firing the weapon, but only if it is adjustable. Otherwise, it serves more or less the same purpose as a folding stock.


Finally, if I am deemed to be incorrect in any of the above statments, please correct me. Arosaurer


[edit] Duplicate article

It has been suggested that this article be merged with Assault weapons ban. I deleted the merge tag from the article because I thik the appropriate place to suggest merging articles is on the talk page, where the pros and cons can be discussed, rather than in the article itself. While some content is duplicated, it's not obvious to me whether or not the articles should be merged, and I take no strong view either way. Enchanter 10:38, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

  • I've done some of expansion to try to make this article more about the law in general (which has a lot of notable stuff in it besides the AWB). Quite a bit more is possible. BCoates 00:26, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

It appears that someone added the word "butt" to a number of phrases. I'm going to eliminate those, since they appear to just be vandalization.