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In my experience, most Vietnamese-American who consider themselves overseas Chinese speak Cantonese in addition to Vietnamese, not Mandarin. Is there any evidence to support that most of them speak Mandarin? 128.195.100.178 02:38, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
--- I don't think so. My maternal granfather, who speaks Cantonese, is full Chinese came to Vietnam to escape the hardships there. More Chinese-Vietnamese speak Cantonese. Probably because more Southern Chinese speak Cantonese and emigrated to Viet Nam by boat. Madarin is consider to be more a northern language. Ironically, these Chinese immigrants are commonly called by the offensive term "boat people."
I don't know if it's appropriate to answer a two-year-old question, but those Chinese Vietnamese Americans who speak the Teochew Chinese deialect as their mother tongue may also speak Cantonese as the lingua franca. They may speak heavily-accented Mandarin when interacting with, say, Taiwanese or mainland Chinese immigrants.
[edit] Census information
The census information only relates to people who identify themselves as ethnically Vietnamese, not as being from Vietnam. DHN 03:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
That is a fallacy. There was an article a decade or so ago in the San Jose Mercury News about the Chinese Vietnamese and census problems regarding them.
Additionaly, it probably depends on their length of generation in Vietnam and who they're with in the U.S., at least when they try to fit in and be accepted. If they're with more ethnic Vietnamese, they'll say they're Vietnamese. If they're with immigrants from China or Hong Kong, they'll say they're Chinese and try to act more like Hong Kong people.
Here is the link to that San Jose Mercury article [1]
[edit] Hong Tran
I think that this article is devoting a disproportionate amount of text on a minor candidate such as Hong Tran. If this article mentions everybody who "makes an attempt" to win an election, it would be full of such people. DHN 16:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
If you can supply me with some other Vietnamese Americans who have run for federal elected office (Senate in particular, since it is about the most powerful elected position below the Pres or VP), I would be more convinced. According to the source I cited, it is probably that she is the first to make such an attempt.Emcee 17:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Several people in OC are currently running for seats in the House of Representatives. It is likely that they won't win, but they will no doubt receive more votes than Tran. Tan Nguyen is the official Republican nominee for the 47th Congressional District of California. DHN 18:01, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't be against adding the OC V-A candidates, though I don't think that they discount the significance of Hong Tran's senate run, A.) because it's the lower house of congress, a less ambitious bid and B.) it's the concurrent election season, not a prior one. I'm looking for people who have run before. Emcee 18:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Note, the representative candidates also are not running statewide races -- they are elected in their congressional district only. Senate is a statewide election for federal office.Emcee 18:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- I found somebody named "Tuan Nguyen" running for a House seat in North Carolina in 2002 [2]. He was the official Republican Party candidate and got 78,095 votes compared to the winner's 132,185. DHN 19:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, you fulfilled criteria B.), but I think the Tran campaign still has the significance attributed to it in the article, as being the first to run for U.S. Senate, both in the state and in the country. I would support adding Tuan Nguyen to the article as the first to run for the House (if we can't find any others), but I don't think the Politics section is too long. How about this: deleting the second Tran sentence (with the NW Asian Weekly mention) but leaving the actual footnote/reference as a reference to the first Tran sentence. And adding a sentence on Tuan Nguyen as the first to run for the House.
[edit] Con Lai
This is an untrue or a wrong statement, because it doesn’t base on the facts. There are many Vietnamese Americans have married Eurasians and Amerasians. I want to say that whoever wrote the sentence the Eurasians and Amerasians ‘continued to face discrimination within the Vietnamese-American community after their arrival in America’ is spoken like communist Vietnamese. As in Vietnam, Vietnamese communist regime has always discriminated the children of the former regime officials ( the children of the former regime officials won’t be accepted and allowed to go to college or to go to overseas to study as a Visa students, because they consider bad citizens due to their fathers were former regime officials or were the friends of the Americans) and of course, the children of the foreign people, such as American Soldiers' children. Therefore, this statement is true when you apply in current Vietnamese communist regime, but absolutely not in the Vietnamese-American community.
By the way, whoever you were it is very impolite to erase someone’s else writing. If whoever you were that is afraid of the truth, then don’t write something which is not true or don't make up something that is not based on the facts. This is in U.S.A, not in Viet Nam which you can frame whoever you want, and then put them to jail wrongly and then kill them later. If you don’t like to live in America, then you should go back Viet Nam to live with Vietnamese communists, because you should fit right in with them over there and no training needed.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.46.198.232 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC).
- This section is getting a lot of anonymous edits and deletions. They will continue to be reverted until a coherent argument is presented on this page. In deference to the anonymous POV, I added a citation request for what appears to be the sentence that is disputed: the sentence that says that there is discrimination against Amerasians within the Vietnamese-American community. those who are supporting the current wording, please provide a citation or have this statement deleted. In the meantime, I would suggest that the anonymous editor(s) think of alternative ways to include their information, by editing/revising the section rather than deleting, or protesting within the article itself. This alternative viewpoint mainly seems to be that there is MORE discrimination in Vietnam than in the U.S. against Con Lai. I think it would be difficult to say that there is none in the U.S.
- With regards to the anonymous accusations that the original writer is intentionally including disinformation, and that they should go back to Vietnam: please read and respect WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL.
- Emcee 17:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Providing false information publicly without citation is serious unethnical behavior. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.130.144.54 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC).
- Intentionally vandalizing Wikipedia pages is the only serious unethical behavior that is going on here. If you see something missing a citation, add a cite tag. If you see false information, identify it. The only issues you have brought up are possible POV issues. Behave like an adult. Emcee 08:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Providing false source links is also an unacceptable conduct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.79.113.162 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC).
- If you believe that the source links given are false, it would help if you could prove they are false (with other sources, of course); otherwise, they are likely to remain there until we have proof to the contrary. Honestly, using rhetoric like going "back [to] Viet Nam to live with Vietnamese communists" doesn't help the situation, because Wikipedia isn't trying to push any political agenda here; we're just trying to document the facts given the sources we know about. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs) 19:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Continue "Con Lai" discussion
The main point that I want to make is that whoever wrote the sentence ‘continued to face discrimination within the Vietnamese- American community after their arrival in America’ is spoken like communist Vietnamese, and he or she doesn't base on the fact when saying so. It is very similar to Vietnamese Communist when they tried to frame somebody; they don't care it is true or not. They just want to get what they want, regardless what approach they will take. Personally, I don't feel any ill thoughts toward Vietnamese Americans and my friends are feeling the same. So, if you think the Vietnamese Americans ‘continued to face discrimination within the Vietnamese-American community after their arrival in America,’ then you should speak for yourself. You should not speak for the entire Vietnamese Americans or put the words in the mouths of the Vietnamese Americans when he or she says such a thing, because there are all Vietnamese Americans that I know, they disagree with this sentence. As you know our language has usually indicated the type of the people that has tried to speak for other people as "tai khon," because he or she thinks whatever he or she speaks is for everybody and his or her words are the ultimate or final.
