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Contents 1 first talk 2 People 3 Population 4 Annual Manangatang Races 5 Requested move 5.1 Discussion 6 Population density 7 Selective deletion 8 Proposed move to Victoria, Australia 9 Where is Victoria?

[edit] first talk

After a jurisdictional problem wherein a corps was discovered within the Murry ( between NSW and Victoria ).. it was decided that the Murry waters when on the boarder between NSW and Victoria would be NSW Territory.

There are still cases about crimes and things... like what if evidence was on teh south bank ( vic ) , but it errodes and falls into the river??

This page has a little info on the case.

http://www.surveyorsboard.vic.gov.au/guidelines.htm

[edit] People

Is there a "people/population" section linked to this article? I would have thought it pretty essential. And having just two lines about sport and culture is an insult to what is arguably a world leader in both categories.

[edit] Population

which is the correct population? the one in the first paragraph or the one in the side box? Xtra

They may *both* be correct. The population, as measured in the 2001 census, was 4,644,950. However, over the past three years the population has grown; the 2004 figure must be a projection, though I'd like to know from *where*. If we can verify the 2004 projection as from the ABS, we should probably use that figure rather than the older one. If not, we should stick with the older one. --Robert Merkel 20:37, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Of course, the updated population was by a bloody anonymous user, so there's no way we can ask them where they got the new figure from... :( --Robert Merkel 20:42, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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OK, the latest ABS data I can find on their website is a projection for 2002. I'm tempted to just go with the 2001 census number. Any objections? --Robert Merkel 21:29, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Annual Manangatang Races

If we're going to mention sporting events like the Annual Manangatang Races, which, up until now I had never heard of, shouldn't there also be mention of Victoria's bigger sporting events, like the Melbourne Cup, Australian Open, and the (motorcycle and Formula One) Grands Prix? Novakreo 28 June 2005 06:09 (UTC)

yes. BTW what is a Manangatang? Xtra 28 June 2005 10:51 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The initiator of this move feels that Victoria, Australia is better than Victoria (Australia) as per naming convention.

• Oppose. See my comment below. – AxSkov (☏) 08:45, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Same. Xtra 09:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Oppose. Ditto. — Felix the Cassowary 12:14, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 10:32, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

I always thought the brackets made the pipe-trick nice and easy to do.. -- Chuq 10:29, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Victoria is its own jurisdiction and is the official name of the place. It is not just a location within a country. The need for the brackets is for dissambiguation purposes alone. As such Victoria, Australia is an incorrect name. Xtra 11:47, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I also prefer the current name.

Apropos the name of the jurisdiction, in historical documents it's often seen referred to as the Colony of Victoria and in post-federation documents as the State of Victoria (in contrast to the Commonwealth of Australia). The 'Colony' and 'State' are capitalised, and it makes it look they're a part of the name. Is and has always been the name actually title-less, merely: Victoria, or was it historically the Colony of Victoria and then the State of Victoria? Perhaps someone here knows.

Felix the Cassowary 12:38, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

It is interchangable. But I think that the name is "Victoria". Xtra 12:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I prefer the current name too. The state is generally called 'Victoria' by most people; the (Australia) part is just to dab it from the other Victoria's in the world. – AxSkov (T) 05:18, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I prefer the new suggestion as that is in keeping with other articles such as towns, i.e. Bendigo, Victoria isn't Bendigo (Victoria). Also, people searching for the article are going to type in Victoria, Australia over Victoria (Australia) and at the moment that means being redirected. In my opinion. --Silversmith Hewwo 08:50, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but Victoria's not a town, and which other state is at Statename, Australia? "Victoria, Australia" sounds odd to me. (Anyway, if Bendigo weren't at 'Bendigo, Victoria', it'd be at 'Bendigo', because there's no disambig needed.) The (Australia)'s just a disambig, same as anything else. — Felix the Cassowary 09:33, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Victoria (Australian state), maybe? After Georgia (U.S. state). - Randwicked 19:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

That is really the same as the current name; which should be kept for purposes of accuracy. Xtra 02:22, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. The bracketed text really should be a short descriptor, vis-à-vis Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Topic_page_naming. The current version suggests to my pedantic self that Victoria is a type of Australia. But that's just me. - Randwicked 12:23, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I think Victoria (Australian state) would be better here. — Trilobite (Talk) 10:40, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Population density

The intro has Victoria as the most densely populated state in Australia. The box lists it as second. Does this need an update?

No contradiction. The box ranking includes territories as well. Victoria is second to ACT.

Further on this topic: Densest state I'll grant, but most urbanised? How is this measured? - ҉ Randwicked ҉ 04:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

here's a citation, from 2001. Victoria and New South Wales are equally the most urbanised states (both 89%). Does anyone have a newer reference? - ҉ Randwicked ҉

[edit] Selective deletion

I am about to delete from the article history those revisions whose content and/or edit summaries libel Xtra, per Wikipedia's libel policy. Selective deletion requires full deletion followed by selective restoration. Therefore this article will be deleted for a very brief period of time. Snottygobble 04:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Complete. Snottygobble 04:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move to Victoria, Australia

Please refer to discussion at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board#Victoria -- Longhair 22:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Conversation was archived to Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 21#Victoria. I don't see a consensus to move. --Scott Davis ^Talk 14:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where is Victoria?

The history of Victoria here is all wrong.

Yes, the colony of NSW existed but ended near Yass. Past that it was referred to as 'The Wasteland' not New Holland. 'Wasteland' has a meaning other than the obvious. Its political as well as nomenclature. What about 'Terre Napoleon' that went to 36th parallel, also Neutsland, etc. Also New South Caledonia? The boundary was to be along the Murrumbidgee and all below that was Port Phillip. The Brits actually declared this. The aussies wanted it south of the Murray. Guess what the aussies did. They moved the Murray. Easy. Then it matched what the Brits had declared. When south of Yass opened up, there were three NSW (which in those days also included current day Vic.), districts, North, Middle and South with South, Port Phillip.

Do you have any reliable sources for any of this? It'd be an interesting bit of trivia if it were true. Although even if it were the case we couldn't say that the victorian boundaries are not where they have been marked on maps. I dare say that common law would dictate that the boundaries are where they are commonly agreed to be, and that this has been confirmed by numerous subsequent interstate agreements between the Vic and NSW Governments on such issues as resource and river management. The fact that the Vic Gov't hasn't attenpted to exercise jurisdictional authority outside its boundaries for over 150 years would have something to do with it too. -- Adz|talk 06:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)