Talk:Victoria, Princess Royal and Empress Frederick/Archive01
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There is a page named
Heir Presumptive
yet the link here to
heir presumptive
does not go to it.
However, should Heir Presumptive be capitalized? I have not capitalized it here pending resolution of this point.
Songwriter 17:43 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- As it is a formal title, it is capitalised when used as a formal title, in lower case when written generically. As this article is talking about the Heir Presumptive, not about a heir presumptive, it is capitalised here. (Just as one talks about presidents but President of the United States, a queen but Queen of the United Kingdom.) FearÉIREANN
Aren't there several Princesses named Victoria? RickK 19:27 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Shouldn't this page be at Victoria, Princess Royal? --Jiang 22:00 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I have moved it to Princess Victoria of the United Kingdom to follow royal naming conventiions. I would love to use the PR title but as there are a number of PRs with the same name and they lack ordinals to distinguish between them, using [[name, Princess Royal]] is too problematic and so should be reserved for the current Princess Royal. It is a problem that was discussed at length. Using the basic royal title also matches general naming conventions in terms of reverting dead royal brides to their maiden title (Catherine of Aragon, etc). The convention agreed was that unless a royal had a peerage, they would be entered as Princess of whatever state they came from (or linked to title if relevant, in this case the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. (Hence Princess Margaret of the United Kingdom, Prince William of Wales, Princess Beatrice of York, etc.) BTW I have also set up a redirect from her marital title which also existed. FearÉIREANN 22:43 4 Jul 2003 (UTC)
There were two princess of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (excluding Queen Victoria before her ascension) who were officially known as "Victoria": (1) Victoria, Princess Royal and later Empress Friedrich (1842-1901), the eldest daughter of Victoria of the United Kingdom; and (2) Princess Victoria (1868-1935), the unmarried second daugther of Edward VII of the United Kingdom. I am considering contributing an article on the second Princess Victoria (nicknamed "Toria"). However, if I used the naming convention Princess Victoria of the United Kingdom it would create a conflict with the existing article dealing with Victoria, Princess Royal. Do you have any suggestions? Also, since 4 Jul 2003, I have added the article Louise, Princess Royal and Duchess of Fife and expanded the existing article Mary, Princess Royal.
Jeff 2:05 28 Sept 2003 (UTC)
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To solve the problem I noted above, I renamed the article Princess Victoria of the United Kingdom as Victoria, Princess Royal and Empress Frederick. I then created a separate article for Princess Victoria Alexandra Olga Mary(1868-1935), the daughter of Edward VII, using the title Princess Victoria Alexandra of the United Kingdom.
Jeff 10:38 29 Sept 2003 (UTC)
heading, again
To use Princess Royal as her only distinguisher is an obvious anglocentric decision. Basically generic titles cannot in that way reserved to one country. She should be at her pre-marital location "firstname of countryshewasprincessof". I object strongly to this sort of use of title which causes more difficukties than solves anything.
And, to repeat Princess twice in the heading is something unspeakable - the heading does not need it even once. 217.140.193.123 3 July 2005 20:50 (UTC)
requested move
- Oppose. This article itself should not have been moved to a hybrid Victoria, Princess Royal and Empress Frederick (which is sadly not in accordance with any Naming Convention, and is a ridiculous bunching of two titularies) without move request. (I expect such move request would have been defeated.) The user who made the said move has in my opinion shown her ineptitude also by leaving this talkpage behind. Arrigo 08:36, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, but on the plus side, maybe no one will be able to find it to read your comments. Deb 17:27, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
There is now a discussion (and possibly a poll) ongoing regarding the location of the article itself, see Talk:Victoria, Princess Royal and Empress Frederick. I would hope that any moves of talkpages are not executed before the location of the article itself finds its ultimate location. 217.140.193.123 18:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC) PS: the ultimate location might be a bin, mightn't it :)
