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[edit] 09er

So, 09er redirects here, but there's no explanation of the term. Can we include this? I would, but I'm not sure I understand the root of it. --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

It should be included, because it's important to the class distinctions in the show, but I don't have full info. The gist is that Neptune is divided into two or more zip codes; the one ending in "...09" is the realm of the "haves", home to the rich, powerful and famous; and the other ones are where the "have nots" live. This is further illustrated by the types of homes the characters live in: the Kanes, Echolls, Casablancases, etal., all "'09ers", live in palatial homes with extensively landscaped grounds (Duncan and Logan later live in a luxury hotel suite); the Fennells, MacKenzies and Navarros live in lower middle class tract homes; the Marses live in a residential motel. Canonblack 17:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Goof?

In the second season, I found that in the scene titles they refer to the Fitzpatricks as the "Fitzgeralds." Is this a goof or an oversight on my part? BlueStarz 02:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a goof as the same thing is on my S2 DVD scene titles, which either means the writers had changed the name from Fitzgeralds to Fitzpatricks before filming the episodes and the change didn't get to the DVD production team when they were getting things ready for the DVDs(which is really stupid anyway as there would've been lots of time between the change and getting information ready for the DVD to indicate that there was a change in the name) or someone on the DVD production team really goofed-up when typing the information in for the scene titles and no one fact-checked the information for accuracy. Either way the team didn't do their job and making sure the information on the S2 DVDs were accurate before sending it to the plant for pressing. Not sure if that's true or not, but it's my take how the goof happened.--HuskersRule 05:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up! (Not sure whether or not to put it into an article or where though as of yet because it might be regarded as just random, inconsequential trivia.) BlueStarz 06:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PCHer ???

Does PCH really stand for Pacific Coast Highway in the show? Is it a common abbreviation in California? The reason I asked is that I was under the impression that it stood for Peurto Rican/Cuban/Hispanic. Which goes along with the makeup of the gang. Ksheka 22:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it does. The PCH is a major highway in California where the PCHers ride. The show also uses the acronym PCH several times to refer to the road itself (and not just the gang). They have never actually said the gang and the road acronyms mean the same thing, but it's a reasonably logical assumption. The road exists in the show and the real world. Pacific_Coast_Highway_(US). Vectorferret 14:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoilers in article

I've reverted a recent change and inserted the

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

tag - Wikipedia is not censored, and has to be factually correct, spoilers are to be expected and readers are forewrned with the tag and in Wikipedia:Content disclaimer in big bold letters "WIKIPEDIA CONTAINS SPOILERS AND CONTENT YOU MAY FIND OBJECTIONABLE" - and hence unless a rationale can be provided to offer misleading information spoilers are not disallowed. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Matt, what do you think about changing the section to be both spoiler free (as seems to be the preferred in the Spoiler discussion above) and yet completely accurate? We could change Weevil in particular to "Local delinquent regularly suspected in various crimes". CaptainGetts 18:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I'd liek to see this discussion.. i cannot see one with a consensus saying to keep teh article spoielr free. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:42, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone point to a policy which suggests that wikipedia should be spoiler-free? Given that just about every article on a movie or book is a complete spoiler, giving away the entire plot, why on earth should we avoid spoilers for events that have already happened on TV shows, material which is specifically designed to be aired at a given time? Every new episode of Veronica Mars spoils the plot of the first two seasons. This simply isn't the case with books and movies (except that new books or movies in a series presumably spoil the older ones). If anything, we should be less worried about spoilers for TV shows. john k 19:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
There isn't one. Though I generally support the idea that unimportant spoilers should be contained in character articles and left out of the main article, essential information should still be contained here in favor of accuracy. Just add the spoiler warning. - Debuskjt 19:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Critics

Is it possible to have a balanced "reception section"? This definitely lacks in an otherwise very thorough article. It reads a bit like a fan page, and that puts the credibility of the rest in jeopardy.--SidiLemine 12:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Do you have some negative criticism of the show to add? - Debuskjt 13:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I probably would have one or two.... No, just kidding. I don't know much about the series, but the article looks so good it's a shame it's unbalanced as to reception. I'll see if I can find some. --SidiLemine 13:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I dont think it has any negative response because it is such a well recieved show, i've never seen any negative reviews my self, but if you can find them and cite them from a vetifiable source.. then sure. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I guess there's no denying that. Actually, I would be so amazed if this show happened not to have any negative response, that I would advise a separate section just to note it.--SidiLemine 14:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Category?

I'm new to Wikipedia but I love how complete the information is on Veronica Mars. One thing I think would be nice is if there was a section that had places VM was referenced. The only reason I'm saying this is because in an episode of The OC, Marissa says to Summer something like, "Way to go Veronica Mars, looks like you solved the mystery of the week." I just don't know what exactly to call the category, or how to do it.66.181.233.93 20:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

What you're looking for is a "References in popular culture" subheading, not a category (categories on Wikipedia are a way to link related articles). The problem with that is determining what is WP:NOTABLE, and what is Wikipedia:Listcruft. And has there been enough cultural reference to include in an encyclopedia entry? - Debuskjt 20:23, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Including The O.C. reference, to my knowledge, there has been four: George Michael on Arrested Development mentioned watching the show(it was bleeped out, but you could read his lips and the caption telling why was an obvious reference to the show) on the series finale, characters were shown on an episode, I think, from the current season of The Sopranos watching VM, and VM was on a billboard that Quagmire crashed through while flying a plane on a recent episode of Family Guy. I'm not sure if that qualifies as enough information to warrant a separate section on the main article or if there is any more that I don't know about, but there are those cultural references if anyone was wondering.--HuskersRule 23:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Meaning of the 09ers

The main article lists "She is ostracized by "the 09ers"(referring to the zip code of Beverly Hills, where most wealthy and popular students originate)", while the article on Neptune, CA lists 09er as coming from the zip code of Balboa county - 90909. This makes alot more sense, since (as anyone who watched TV in the early 90's can tell you) 90210 is the zip for Beverly Hills.

I agree; the fictional zip code 90909 is assigned to those who live in Balboa county in Neptune. BlueStarz 22:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meaning of the 09ers

I thought the term 09ers refered to the year their trustfunds were available to them. When the show started they were teens so at 2009, they would turn 21 and got to have their trustfunds.

Not sure where you got that, but it wasn't from the show. It was explicitly stated in (at least) the first episode that it's the zip code. PurplePlatypus 10:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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