Talk:Venerable Order of Saint John

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The article is original and is based on original research. Dr Michael Foster.

I increased the amount of information on this Order and sited my information as the last two outside references on the page. I also added three pictures to the site. ESQ24

The statement that the postnominals associated with the Order of St. John are only used within the Order is incorrect, though they do not indicate rank on the Scale of Precedence, as correctly stated here. See the discussion about this on the talk page of the British Honours article. I have revised the statement in this article. 66.156.107.108

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I have recently been doing research into soap opera actress Ruth Warrick and from a book published in 1992 I have found her listed as "Dame of Honour and Merit by the Imperial Russian Order of Saint John of Jerusalem Ecumenical Foundation". I assume she got this when she traveled to Russia circa 1991 as part of a "Global Forum" which met with Gorbachev about environmental problems. Can anyone tell me more about this ? Dowew 02:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

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I seriously doubt that Image:CrossofVOSJ.jpg is licenced under GFDL. In fact it says right under that image on that website on the desc. page, "Copyright (c) 2002 Order of Saint John. Priory in USA." Greentubing 08:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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Greetings,

I was wondering if anyone can explain why this article is entitled Order of St John. It seems to me that it would be better to use its full title or a longer abbreviation (Venerable Order of Saint John, perhaps). It just seens that there is no reason why the British Order should have the title that makes other believe it is THE order of Saint John, even when there are many many others. For example, the German Alliance order is known by its full name of Balley Brandenburg des Ritterlichen Ordens Sankt Johannis vom Spital zu Jerusalem.--Evadb 10:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Any other thoughts on this question since I posed it a couple months ago?--Eva db 08:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
The move seems sensible, insofar as I have grasped the situation. However, there are a huge number of pages which still link to Order of St. John. These will all need disambiguation carried out. - Crosbiesmith 15:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

How about something with an article for each of these:

  • Alliance of Orders of St John
  • Order of Malta
The Four Main Protestant Orders
  • Balley Brandenburg ("Johanniterorden")
  • Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem
  • Johanniterorden I Sverige
  • Johanniter Orde in Nederland
The Four non-German Commanderies of the Bailiwick of Brandenburg
  • Swiss Commandery of the Order of St John
  • French Commandery of the Order of St John
  • Hungarian Commandery of the Order of St John
  • Finnish Commandery of the Order of St John

If we had an article for each of the starred items, that should cover the topic pretty well. The origins of the Hospitaller Orders in general could either be covered under the SMOM or possibly under the alliance.--dave-- 05:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That looks like a very nice proposal, dave. I will try to help you move/make these articles as time permits. Does that look good to you, Crosbiesmith?--Eva bd 21:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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