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Archive 1 - December 13, 2005 - August 6, 2006


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[edit] James Withycombe

Thanks for the feedback. In researching the Govornors of Oregon, Withycombe is one I am quite fond of. Here's one of my sources for the OSU employment, from the Oregon State Library page (available here [1]):

Begining at the 7th sentence on the page (their punctuation is attrocious):

"...Established a reputation as a successful scientific farmer, and in 1898 was recruited by Oregon Agricultural College (now Oregon State University) to instruct Oregon's farmers in advanced agricultural methods. He was soon appointed Director of the College Experiment Station, from which he supervised the agricultural extension program of O.A.C."

In Round the Roses II, More Portland Past Perspectives by Karl Klooster, pg 118:

5th paragraph:

"...Two years later the Oregon Agricultural College at Corvallis (now Oregon State University) bestowed upon him the degree of Master of Agriculture."

7th paragraph:

"After serving as the state's top animal doctor for nine years, Withycombe accepted a new and even greater challenge. The Oregon Agricultural College asked him to become director of its experiment station program."

The Round the Roses books are collections of newspaper columns on Portland and Oregon history. the original columns appeared in This Week magazine between 1987 and 1992. So far as I know, there are only 2 compilations in book form. The first edition is hard to get a hold of, the second is a little easier. I spotted both for sale once at Powell's City of Books here in Portland a few months ago. I tried to order both online from Amazon, but could only get the second version. Public Libraries usually have both copies laying around, if not, the Portland Metro area county systems should have some copies (Clackamas County Libraries I know for sure has both volumes).

The ISBN for the second edition, where my Withycombe info comes from is ISBN 0-9619847-1-6. Hope that helps! Check with OSU on this. If those sources are wrong, then the State Library has to make a change to Withycombe's bio page!

Ajbenj 12:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your revert of Corvallis page

I was somewhat surprised to find a message about a reverted edit left for me. I then realized that I wasn't logged in, so I was using an IP address (207.207.127.252). Your message got left on the user page of an IP address. In the future, please be careful about who you're messaging. Pingveno 22:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm not quite sure what you expect me to be "more careful" about. An edit was made under an IP address and I left a message to that IP address. All people logged in on that IP address will see the message, I can't control if you also saw the warning because you weren't logged in. That's nothing unusual, ignore it if it doesn't apply to you. VegaDark 23:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
    • There are people new to Wikipedia and computers in general who would irrigate their trousers in the event of having a "warning". The IP address wasn't even really mine, it was for the entire University of Puget Sound (2600 students, several hundred teachers/professors). The person who saw the warning (me) probably doesn't even know the person who made the edit. Just don't confuse the poor visitors to Wikipedia. No more warnings for IP addresses. 207.207.127.252 00:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC) (also, Pingveno)
      • Please read Wikipedia:Vandalism. Warning IP addresses is not only commonplace, I'd say that 90% of all warnings given out goes to IP addresses. VegaDark 00:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

 Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem has been officially proven. Chimps really can get somewhere on Wikipedia.

With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you.

(Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photo to the right.) alphaChimp laudare 01:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Winhunter's RfA thanks

Hi VegaDark, thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which was closed as successful today with a finaly tally of (56/0/3). I will be very careful at first to avoid any mistakes. Please feel free to leave a message in my talk page if you have any comments/suggestions about me in the future. Once again, thank you! --WinHunter (talk) 09:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JPD's RfA

Thanks, VegaDark, for your support at my RfA, which finished with a tally of 94/1/0. I hope I live up to the confidence you have shown in me in my activities as an administrator.

[edit] Tagging of images without copyright tag

If an image already has the {{untagged}} template on it, please do not tag it with {{db-unksource}}, as you did for Image:Captain joey.jpg. It will clutter up the regular speedy deletion category. Thanks! Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 07:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

For CSD I4 and I5, "speedy" means without further discussion. This is not necessarily the same as regular speedy deletion. It is understood by every admin that all images in CAT:NT are to be orphaned and deleted without further ado after 7 days unless a copyright tag and source are provided, hence no need to add db-unksource to them. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 07:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there's a backlog, but we'll clear it soon. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 07:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Free Range Studios

Well, I'm not overly concerned about it. As to the early closing, well, I guess since it was listed for a week, the only point of relisting was to get some more input, which it got. Nobody can really say that they didn't have a chance to comment, since it had already been up so long. The numbers, discounting suspicious or tainted comments, come to 4-2 Delete, with one of the Keeps being a weak keep. And the Delete commentors made good point, although some of these were about the contents of the article rather than the notability of the company. So I don't think it was out of line. If you want to take it to deletion review, though, you might be able to make a case based on the quick second closing. Herostratus 00:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Ah, right. Didn't catch that. Well, I don't know. A WP:DRV might be in order then. I don't have a strong opinion on the article, but go ahead if you want. Herostratus 00:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
    • No, it would have to go through DRv. Herostratus 01:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, I guess you could ask him. It would be quite unusual if not unprecedented, and I think he'd rightly fear the wrath of the Delete voters and other editors, but it WP:IAR so doesn't hurt to ask. Herostratus 01:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Free Range Studios

Hi VegaDark, the text is at User:VegaDark/Free Range Studios. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 22:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tamil vandal

Hi VegaDark

Please don't assume what I did and didn't see. Since I was the one who speedy deleted the image each time it appeared, and protected the article to stop the vandalism, you can assume that I knew well enough what was going on.

We do not, generally, block on the say-so of one editor after one edit, for obvious reasons. If you suspect sockpuppetry, then you need to go to WP:SSP, not WP:AIV. AIV is specifically for blatant vandalism after warnings have been left.

Since this didn't apply, then AIV was the wrong place.

I hope this explains things for you.

Cheers ➨ ЯEDVERS 11:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Actually, it did apply. I gave them the BV template after their first obvious act of vandalism of changing the image. They then proceeded to change the image again, 3 minutes after I had already warned them. So posting was appropriate on AIV. I think my accusation of them also being a sock was obvious, and I think the fact another admin indefinitely blocked the account in question (whereas you removed them from AIV without even a temp block, which would have been justified even if they hadn't been a sock IMO) supports that. Obvious socks are reported on AIV all the time (wether it officially should be or not), WP:SSP is used for not-so obvious socks. VegaDark 11:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biography Newsletter September 2006

The September 2006 issue of the Biography WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. plange 00:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 13 September 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Swede Halbrook, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Sorry!

Hi, VegaDark! Sorry to bug you on the Blue Ridge page. Joke in poor judgment. I'm impressed you could catch it so quickly!

This is a public computer, so I hope our address doesn't give you any more trouble. 147.126.95.146 04:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RFA

Thank you, VegaDark, for voting on my RFA, which passed 95 to 1. As an admin, I hope I can live up to the standard, and be a good administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. —this is messedrocker (talk) 08:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding comment's of my 8th edit...

Hi, on the Free Style studio deletion page, you pointed out that my vote and explanation for the article's deletion is my 8th edit.

Was that a sarcastic remark, or some other reason? Hellwing 20:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Replied on your talk page. VegaDark 20:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Hellwing as a sockpuppet for an immature vandal

VegaDark, you are correct to think that User:Hellwing (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) is a sockpuppet. I don't know much about the article that he wants deleted, but he has also vandalized the Beverly Hills High School and its talk page numerous times using countless sockpuppets. His vandalisms are usually bigoted, and racist. Some of his sock puppets he named "Well Beback is a Nigger Faggot" or "Karmac=Faggot"

Using the Hellwing sockpuppet he did two things a) he requested that the BHHS article be unprotected and b) he requested that the Free Style page be deleted. But he has been banned indefinately from editing wikipedia countless times for vandalism, and it is against wikipedia policy to use sock puppets after you have been banned from editing indefinately. He should not be able to vote on deleting pages or requesting unprotection of a page either!

Please provide me with what information you have on this guy so that we can work together to keep this guy and his sockpuppets from doing damage to wikipedia!

Thanks for your help!Karmak 18:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not a sockpuppet of whomever you think is personally vandalizing user Will Beback. I am a new wikipedia.com member who began editing by looking over an article of a school that I attended in the nineties. I just found that the 1980s section needed more solid sources and references, specifically not from a website ran by an individual who lacks credibility.I am quite surprised that you would connect me to such racist and, (to me) quite offending names) such as the n word! I will ignore that, however, if you continue to do so, I will seek appropriate administrator assistence in user harassment. Quite a rude awakening for a first time Wikipedia user, I might say. Next time, please, consider your words before you type as; describing immature is highly incorrect and tactless, and truly shows a part of you that no one wants to see.

Hellwing 18:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Caffeine

What was your reasoning behind reverting the change made by an anonymous user? [2] It doesn't appear to be vandalism so wh the revert? Mikemill 07:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

My apologizes, I see that you explained it in a further edit. Mikemill 07:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Hey VegaDark, thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 10:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Football" players

I haven't moved any further articles pursuant to the other comments that appear on my talk page. I'm bowing out of the discussion. I feel that it is incredibly arrogant, not to mention incorrect, for "football" to be used to refer to the American/Canadian sports as though that is the widespread definition of the term, when in fact, the exact opposite is true—it is taken to mean "soccer" everywhere else in the world. Just more evidence that the United States thinks that it sets the standard for how the rest of the world should operate. However, it's a windmill at which I'm no longer willing to tilt. As for the redirect links, my original plan was to move all the pages and then go back and methodically disambiguate the pages; it was getting to be a nightmare because I was changing links that then changed again once the article moved. I will get the links corrected and the redirects eliminated. Thanks.—Chidom talk  06:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] (football player) --> (American football)

I'm in the process of disambiguating all the links to redirect pages I caused and (very thankfully) have received AutoWikiBrowser to help with the task. (he reason it's taken me this long to get to it was that I kept forgetting to ask for authorization, and was waiting for that to help make the task easier. I did all the page moves by hand (whew!), but that's significantly easier than editing links.

Anyway, my apologies again for barging ahead, but I was being bold. There are a few pages where the links shouldn't be changed, however, so I'm leaving those alone. Archive pages shouldn't be changed, Afd nominations/discussions shouldn't change (I don't think) and I shouldn't change User pages. I notice that you have a link on your User page to "James Allen (football player)", which is now James Allen (American football); you might want to change it, but it's not vital (you could always just pipe the new name behind the original one).

Thanks again. (You needn't respond unless you want to, by the way—this is purely informational.)—Chidom talk  19:06, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football players—the end

My profound apologies for all of this. I recently discovered Wikipedia:Naming conventions, which says, in part:

"If you wish to propose a new naming convention, do so on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions, and also explain the proposal at Requests for comment and the Village Pump, as well as at any related pages. Once a strong consensus has formed, it can be adopted as a naming convention and listed below." (on the naming convention list)

I won't go into a long, drawn-out explanation of how I got started on this; suffice it to say that there is a gay porn star with the same name as a football player.

I've now finished updating all the article links so that they bypass the redirect pages that were created when I moved the original pages. I've also been informed that this was incorrect as well, and there's a whole section on it at Wikipedia:Redirect#Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken.

In my own defense, my changing all the redirect links may save server time (and money) in the future. Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups/About fixing redirects states: "In other words, readers of Wikipedia would have to use a redirect link about 10,000 times before it would be worthwhile to replace that link with a direct link." Arguably, most of these links will be used 10,000 times or more.

Lastly, let me apologize again for the confusion this has caused and reiterate that I am bowing out of the discussion. I feel that a convention does need to be created, but I'm not all that big a sports fan to start with, so I'll leave it to folks more familiar with the nuances.

I'm posting this at several user talk pages in response to comments made on my talk page about this; if you have further comments, please make them on my talk page. Thanks.

Thanks.—Chidom talk  03:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Oregon State University people

I've responded to your query on the FLC page. You might want to look at List of notable brain tumor patients and List of people with epilepsy, which are two other FL. They are similar to your list in many ways. I think the year of graduation/attendance is essential info. You might want to consider a table format to include this and the reference. Transforming your text to table format isn't as hard as you might think, if you have a good text editor. If you think this is a good idea, but can't face doing it yourself, let me know. Decide what columns you want first! I think you've over wikified the professions. Just link the first one. Colin Harkness°Talk 08:53, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


I guess you've decided not to bother with a birth/death column. It is perhaps less needed to place the person in history since you've got the attendance years. For the epilepsy list, I ended up changing the order to chronological, partly because I wasn't sure how to sort names when somone only had one name or had a title.

I think you could find a better title than "Description" for the main column. "Comments" would do, if a little bland. We're sort of listing just the notable bit(s) of someones life/career but I don't know the word for that. Notability? It might be better not to have quite so many sections as currently. Combine a few minor sports and don't separate the boys from the girls.

Closed date ranges should use an ndash, open ones (i.e. the person hasn't left yet) would use an mdash. You can find them at the start of the symbol box at the bottom of the edit window.

BTW: why are there so many sports people listed? Is this some reflection on sport in the US or this particular Uni? Football players in the UK are considered bright if they have school qualifications never mind university ones. If, however, it reflects a bias in your collection of notable individuals (or those of your sources) then you may fail FL for not being "comprehensive". Colin Harkness°Talk 15:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)


Ah. Degree. Of course that would be excellent information to present. It would also nicely separate those who graduated at OSU from those who didn't. Do you have grades of degree in the US (1st class, Honours, etc)? Since you study at OSU, can you not access the records department? Perhaps the alumni association can help you. Your sources don't have to be online. Digging up this info would be a great way to add something unavailable in other sources. On the other point, the other people-lists have lots of sportspeople since they are notable. But singers, musicians, actors, and those in the media are also highly represented. Scientists, on the other hand, don't get noted. Have you tried searches for OSU in books (google books/amazon) and online newspapers? Obituaries are a good source of biographical material. Colin Harkness°Talk 07:33, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose Mark Twain as this week's WP:AID winner

 Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive.
This week Mark Twain was selected to be improved to featured article status.
Hope you can help.

→AzaToth 00:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Douglas Warrick

Hi VegaDark,

I did not mean to revert those edits in the Douglas Warrick article. I guess I was editing an old version of the article or something.--Carabinieri 10:07, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2003 NFL Draft

Hi, I have the 2003 NFL Draft as a featured list candidate. Since you've contributed to similar discussios and have a nice background in football edits, I was wondering if you could place your input on it. Thanks. --Wizardman 03:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

 I would like to express my appreciation of the time you spent considering my successful RfA. Thankyou Gnangarra 13:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support

I wasn't going to send thank-you cards, but the emotional impact of hitting WP:100 (and doing so unanimously!) changed my mind. So I appreciate your confidence in me at RFA, and hope you'll let me know if I can do anything for you in the future. Cheers! -- nae'blis 23:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I apologize

Sorry about the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heartland Trophy. I made some poorly worded statements, and they should not have been said. Especially since we ended up argueing from the same side of the point we were both trying to make. So, I make an unconditional apology.

To clarify the point I was trying to make, it is more helpful to provide references to provide evidence to support your view than to simply make short, blanket statements. Other users, and especially the closing admin, need to see why the article in question should be kept. There is no guarantee that other users commenting on the article, or the closing admin, is familiar with the practice of the Rivalry Trophy, and thus may not be able to accept the idea that they are ALL notable. I agree with you; most of the Division 1A rivalry trophies are extensively covered in reliable sources, and thus should almost always be able to pass notability tests. However, this is not plainly evident to everyone, and so evidence needs to be provided so everyone can see that the subject at hand is indeed notable. This is true of every AfD. Though some of us understand that "All XXX are notable" because they ALL are covered by reliable sources, most people viewing an AfD, and closing admins, may not realize that. Providing evidence in the form of links to reliable sources helps "head off" problems before they come, since the evidence of notability is plainly readible by all, and not simply covered by a single-sentance blanket claim of catagorical notability. I hope that makes my intent and point behind my comments more clear. Again, I am dearly sorry that I made the initial comments I did. There is not excuse for my behavior, and I only have my apology to offer. --Jayron32 05:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I understand your point. The thing is, the nomination said basically "not notable". I looked at the article and it had a source and said enough in the article to prove notability from my standpoint. So it boiled down to "I think it's not notable" vs. "I think it is notable", there wasn't really much more to say as everything one needed to make the judgement was already included in the article (although adding more sources would have been helpful, one was enough to prove it is real). So no, I didn't go in depth into my reasoning for keeping the article, it seemed like a pretty cut and dry keep. VegaDark 05:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3rd AFD nom for List of Battlefield 1942 mods

You may be interested in the List of Battlefield 1942 mods AFD and also the Call of Duty mods list deletion. Bfelite 20:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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