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A link to the Valleyfair website?
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[edit] Wild Thing accident
I'm reverting the following text about the Wild Thing accident: . The trains brake did not work, thus the train did not stop as it came into the loading dock. It ran into the train in front of it, and the shock disconnected the back cars. It derailed and tipped over into a fence adjacent to the roller coaster.
Google News shows nothing to support this, however it showed many articles that the investigation could take weeks before a specific cause can be found. Furthermore, roller coaster cars don't have brakes -- the track does, so to say "the trains (sic) brake didn't work" cannot be true. If for some reason I'm incorrect here, please provide a cite. --Rehcsif 23:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
- Accident cause has now been released. Someone had already updated the Wild Thing (roller coaster) article, which I reworded there, and copied over here.
--Rehcsif 03:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Park Aerial Image
I'm removing this image. The image comments say that "author has released all rights" but in absense of evidence to this, and the presence of the strong statments at coastergallery I think this needs to be cleared up. --Rehcsif 04:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unofficial ValleyFair! site
User:Pollinator is determined to remove the link to the Valleyfair! Fan Site. For the record, I didn't add it originally, it isn't my site, etc. I did add it back after he removed it the first time, and then he accused me of linkspamming.... Lots of other parks have links to "Unofficial" sites on their articles. As far as I can tell, the only reason he's considering it 'linkspam' is that it happens to have adsense adds, non-prominantly displayed at the bottom of the page. Since the page has a lot of content about Valleyfair! I feel it belongs on the page. It seems AWFULLY restrictive to say no sites with any advertising at all can be externally linked here... Other thoughts? Again, I have nothing to do with the external site and didn't even visit it until after it was removed. --Rehcsif 14:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Unfortunately there are a lot of people making money off Wikipedia, which is the reason for the Wikipedia Project Spam. Tourist subjects seem to be spam magnets, and the project will be cleaning out the spam nests in the coming days. See:WP:WPSPAM.
- Editors are encouraged to add valid material to Wikipedia rather than link to sites with advertising. There are only a few exceptions to this. A page about a corporation (or a theme park), for example, would get a pass, to ONE link, on that page only, to its official site, even though it has ads. Mainline news media (not pulp mags) would generally get a pass on relevant articles, even if there are ads. Otherwise, if you have a site that is so good that it should be an exception (and there are some), it's more likely to stay if you don't add it yourself. I suggest you get a review by a couple administrators and have one of them add it. If it passes that point I won't remove it, but I can't guarantee another spam fighter won't. Pollinator 16:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- BTW, re-adding a link after it's been removed by an administrator is looked upon quite unfavorably, even considered vandalism by some. In this case Rehcsif seems to be a newbie around here, so he got a free pass on that one. Taking it to talk is definitely a better idea. Pollinator 16:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am an admin as well, and I agree, revert warring is far inferior to bringing it to talk. I looked at the site in question (if I'm correct in which one) and I think one fan site is a good link for an article such as this to have. Not lots, but one which is widely adjudged to be good, in addition to the corporate site. Often, for amusement parks, linking to IMDB is the best choice, as that site is very good, it's the reference many of us use when writing about parks and rides, and has links to other fan sites as well. Why not link to that one instead of this one? ++Lar: t/c 17:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Pollinator, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem (sorry to be snarky, but it's hard not to when you consistantly ignore what I'm saying). This is NOT my site. I did NOT add it originally. I hadn't even visited it until I saw that you had removed it, so I checked it out to see why it was so objectionable. I have nothing to gain or lose by its presense or absense. I just feel like you're being awfully limiting by saying that the fact that the site has a couple unobtrusive Adsense banners on the main page, that it must go. Often these 'unofficial' sites have more real info about the park than the 'official' corporate sites do. I think it should stay.
- To the anonymous admin who didn't sign their comments: I'm not revert-warring. I reverted once. I then brought it to talk. I also assume you meant RCDB instead of IMDB. RCDB is a good resouce for finding stats on roller coasters, NOT on parks in general. --Rehcsif 17:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oops, one tilde too many when I signed...!!! fixed, but date remains correct. Sorry for confusion on that. A few clarifications. First: I'm not saying you revert warred, merely that it's not a good thing. Second: Yes, I meant RCDB not IMDB.. braincheck!. Third: we DO have a policy that we don't let external links accumulate without end. But I differ with Pollinator in that I think a few links, well chosen, are OK, I wouldn't get rid of all of them! The one you added seems good (although if we had to keep just one, is it the one? I don't know). If it was just one link that wasn't official that could be kept, RCDB would be the one I'd pick, despite (as you correctly point out) it being slanted towards coasters rather than parks, because it can gateway you elsewhere better than many other fan sites and because it's comprehensive and factual. I would not restrict to just one though. Fifth: please don't be snarky if you can avoid it. Finally: I think I have some standing in this article, I just last week or so added the majority of the pictures it now has (It was a GREAT day to take pictures at the park that day!!!) and I'm a fan of Cedar Fair. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 19:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification -- glad to see you're another contributor to this article. I totally agree that there shouldn't be an accumulation of links. But we had two -- one to the official site and one to this unofficial site -- and the latter was removed. And just to keep clarifying, I did not add the link! This keeps getting stated but it is not the case. I merely reverted the page when Pollinator removed it. If you check the history, you'll see I didn't add it, and it's been here for some time. I merely had the page on my watchlist, since like you, I've been a contributor. I saw the link pulled, and I was WP:BOLD and put it back. I'd really be interested in some other opinions on this, and I'll gladly submit to the group's consensus. --Rehcsif 21:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- It's been a few days and no one else commented so this may be it for comments.... Let's go back to having the link would be my thinking... (sorry for implying you added it initially, Rehcsif, rather than just reverting a removal) and if it's removed again, let's discuss further and if necessary, seek additional input by asking for it, perhaps on Village Pump, or if we can find an appropriate WikiProject, ask there?? I have reinserted the link. ++Lar: t/c 01:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks Lar. If you check out Pollinator's talk page, you'll see that there's no shortage of controversy over his interpretation of what is linkspam -- I hope this gets sorted out and a compromise can be reached. I do appreciate the spirit of his efforts, but feel strongly that a good site is a good site, whether or not it has a few non-intrusive ads on it. --Rehcsif 02:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- It's been a few days and no one else commented so this may be it for comments.... Let's go back to having the link would be my thinking... (sorry for implying you added it initially, Rehcsif, rather than just reverting a removal) and if it's removed again, let's discuss further and if necessary, seek additional input by asking for it, perhaps on Village Pump, or if we can find an appropriate WikiProject, ask there?? I have reinserted the link. ++Lar: t/c 01:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification -- glad to see you're another contributor to this article. I totally agree that there shouldn't be an accumulation of links. But we had two -- one to the official site and one to this unofficial site -- and the latter was removed. And just to keep clarifying, I did not add the link! This keeps getting stated but it is not the case. I merely reverted the page when Pollinator removed it. If you check the history, you'll see I didn't add it, and it's been here for some time. I merely had the page on my watchlist, since like you, I've been a contributor. I saw the link pulled, and I was WP:BOLD and put it back. I'd really be interested in some other opinions on this, and I'll gladly submit to the group's consensus. --Rehcsif 21:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oops, one tilde too many when I signed...!!! fixed, but date remains correct. Sorry for confusion on that. A few clarifications. First: I'm not saying you revert warred, merely that it's not a good thing. Second: Yes, I meant RCDB not IMDB.. braincheck!. Third: we DO have a policy that we don't let external links accumulate without end. But I differ with Pollinator in that I think a few links, well chosen, are OK, I wouldn't get rid of all of them! The one you added seems good (although if we had to keep just one, is it the one? I don't know). If it was just one link that wasn't official that could be kept, RCDB would be the one I'd pick, despite (as you correctly point out) it being slanted towards coasters rather than parks, because it can gateway you elsewhere better than many other fan sites and because it's comprehensive and factual. I would not restrict to just one though. Fifth: please don't be snarky if you can avoid it. Finally: I think I have some standing in this article, I just last week or so added the majority of the pictures it now has (It was a GREAT day to take pictures at the park that day!!!) and I'm a fan of Cedar Fair. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 19:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- I am an admin as well, and I agree, revert warring is far inferior to bringing it to talk. I looked at the site in question (if I'm correct in which one) and I think one fan site is a good link for an article such as this to have. Not lots, but one which is widely adjudged to be good, in addition to the corporate site. Often, for amusement parks, linking to IMDB is the best choice, as that site is very good, it's the reference many of us use when writing about parks and rides, and has links to other fan sites as well. Why not link to that one instead of this one? ++Lar: t/c 17:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup tag
I missed when this was added or I would have commented then. This article is not perfect, but it's not bad. I am not sure I see why a cleanup tag was added, and I support it's removal since no justification was given. ++Lar: t/c 15:27, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
