Talk:Utility cycling
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== Merge 6 Sep 05
Moved material accross from Urban cycling to merge here. Can't get my head around how we can discuss both in two separate articles without massive overlap. --Sf 13:39, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
- Way to be bold, and I understand the overlap problem, but there is a substantial difference between the two. Utility cycling is not necessarily urban, and urban cycling is most definitely not necessarily utilitarian. I think utility cycling should be a short but separate article that refers to urban cycling, vehicular cycling, etc. --Serge 22:26, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
- I accept the overlap arguments. However, in global terms, the overwhelming majority of cycling trips by adults happen for utility purposes. This means the article on utility cycling will be a keystone article within the cycling project and must be comprehensive if it is going to reflect this. --Sf 11:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
- I found no discussion on Wikipedia of Transportation Cycling, which is what I've always heard it referred to. Transportation cycling encompasses commuting by bike, but also using a bicycle for all errands associated with daily city life. Usually, transportation cyclists have bikes equipped with panniers or that are modified through attachments like the "Extracycle" to facilitate carrying heavy loads, or trailers to carry children or pets. I'm working on a short article about this. Transportation cyclists (at least in the US) are also usually strong cycling advocates and are typically motivated by environmentalist or political beliefs. Any input? -- User:Velokitty 02:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
== Biased Phrasing problems, General lack of evidence
Object to this phrasing
In addition, cyclists can cause disruption when there is no cycle lane available and no way for other road-users to move past,
The description of cyclists legally cycling in traffic out of a "cycle lane" as "disruption" is a highly biased piece of writing. This, and unsupported statements about how any of the proposed measures do anything are non-factual. Jumble 19:06, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Also object to the unsourced assertion in this phrase:
It is generally accepted that cycling is only considered a viable form of transport for short trips: 6 km or less
-- Jumble 17:45, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Yes this point (written by me) needs to be expanded and to go in at the head of the article. --Sf 09:51, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Clarifications please?
I just wanted to request that someone clarify these two sentences:
In Denmark, the Netherlands, and Germany, this approach not restricted to planning guidelines and is also supported by a ban on below cost selling.
In 1990 the Dutch adopted the "ABC" guidelines, it especially limited developments that are major attractants to locations that are easily accessible by non-car users.
I also have to second Jumble's objections. Thanks.
--Shafferl 22:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Re ABC Guidelines references thereto
I have started a section on Town planning it may be that someone with internet access and an interest in this article could Google "ABC" guidelines Netherlands and start filling this in. ;-) --Sf 11:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] One-way streets and more
Wow, I really like what you've done with this article Shane - good direction, and a nice fresh start after some other dead-end articles. I've put in a few minor fixes already, and I think I'll try to make some more extensive edits over the next month or two. I'm thinking of starting with the one-way street example, which is currently a bit confusing. "One-way streets" encompasses a wide range of types of streets: high volume multilane one-way arterials, high-volume single lane streets, and quiet residential streets. I think the solution would depend on the situation - the first two are highly disadvantageous to cyclists, but the last type is more suitable for conversion to "one way except cyclists".
You've phrased a lot of this article in language like "It is argued that..." It would also be nice to establish which of those is controversial (and need to retain the "it is argued that...") and which is uncontroversial and can be simplified.
I may take a look at the ABC guidelines too, although I've only read two or three articles on the Dutch system. I know the Canadian/US context (i.e., minimal regulation to allow multimodal access to retail) but not the UK context, and only a little of the continental European situation.
-- Drpritch 21:53, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Removed "Clothing optional bike rides" link.
The "clothing optional bike rides" link seemed gratuitous to me. First, I think it's likely that fewer than .001% of regular utilty cyclists deliver goods, pull rickshaws, etc. while naked. Second, even if there are those that do (eg people on large private reserves, farms, etc. who ride naked while towing, say, a load of harvested tomatoes,) that in itself doesn't qualify "nude bike rides" for inclusion in the links list. It'd be akin to adding "costumed bike rides" as a link in this article; it just doesn't fit.
--Anachron 22:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Common sense dawns with a spring chorus! Thanks for doing that. --Sf 09:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Alternative retail policy
Seems to be pov pushing to me. Gerry Lynch 13:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Why? Are the facts in dispute? --Sf 10:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
