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[edit] Critique, please

I'm thinking of adding the following information to the Powers section, but I'm not sure if part of it is point of view or not. Could I get some feedback please?

"Quincy powers operate by drawing spiritual energy from the environment and directing it using your willpower. (As opposed to Shinigami powers, which work by using your soul's inner strength) This means that a Quincy must concentrate constantly when they are fighting, especially if there are not very much energy in the area, or if the spiritual energy that is present is being repelled by the Sanrei gloves or something similar. It also means that if there is a large source of energy in the area, they can become much more powerful by using it. If a Quincy is powerful enough, they can actually deconstruct spiritual objects to use their power. However, the human body begins to fail if it absorbs too much energy, and seals itself off from spritual energy so that the Quincy does not die, causing him to lose his powers."

Self-Critique: The part about concentration in battle could be cut out easily if it is a problem. It also needs a bit of rewriting to be less confusing in parts.--Tjstrf 10:20, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I think it's ok except for the concentration part, we have no idea about that. Also we don't know how much (if at all) the amount of spiritual energy around the wielder matters (but I guess it's logical that it does). -- Ynhockey 20:56, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

It may be logical, but it doesn't mean the official explanation will actually go that way, or even that there will be an official explanation. Bah. I'll just add the parts that seem less controversial. --Tjstrf 17:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to bring this up again, since the majority of my theory was recently confirmed, but only in the anime filler. (Ishida let the Bounts into SS so that he could fight better, due to the higher spiritron concentrations.) Do we consider it sufficiently well-grounded for inclusion now? --tjstrf 09:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lives alone?

Currently the article states that Ishida lives alone, Yet this is unlikely, given that when Byakuya and Renji come to arrest Rukia, Ishida appears carrying a bag of sewing utensils, explaining that he needed an excuse to get out of the house, implying that he lives with family or someone else. Otherwise he would have come without the bag. There might be evidence on the contrary that I've overlooked, but I'm suggesting that whether he lives alone or not be reconsidered.

Well, he certainly doesn't live with his father, has never mentioned any other relatives, etc. If you want good places to check for info, try his bio page at the end of one of the volumes, or the omake interview with Kon. --Tjstrf 03:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
He does live alone, it says in one of the Radio Kon things. Also he said he needed an excuse to be wandering around the night, which could mean he doesn't want to look like an idiot (or whatever). It doesn't have to be about a family. -- Ynhockey 13:19, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quincy = exorcist?

The article was recently added to, and then just as swiftly removed from, the Category: Fictional Exorcists. Judging from the Exorcist article though, the classification might be fitting. Within the context of Bleach, hollows ARE evil spirits, and equivalent to demons in classical mythology Quincy do destroy them as their primary work. Also, compare with the exorcists in D.Gray-man. (Edit: We don't have a D Gray Man article? Well Google it then, or something. It's a manga series about exorcists, who are quite reminiscent of the Quincy.) --tjstrf 21:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Quincy do not remove spirits from people. Shinigami remove the sins, and guide the original spirit of the hollow back to Soul Society. Of all things, Shinigami are exorcists since they remove the evil and guide the good to Soul Society while Quincy just kill both. So Quincy should not be classified as exorcists but Shinigami might deserve that classification.--Gdo01 22:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Shinigami have a more specific classification: psychopomps. (They also share great similarities with the Angel of Death.) An Exorcist's position, stated broadly, is to dispel evil spirits from an area or individual as an act of purification. The Quincy are based on the Priest character archetype, and fight characters based on evil spirits/demons. In the context of fiction, that can very reasonably be considered an exorcist.
Actually, do we even have an article or section on Exorcists in fiction that the category can correspond to? --tjstrf 23:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Shinigami do fit the description of psychopomps but they also take on exorcism tasks. I'll condede the fact that Quincies are, in a way, exorcists but Shinigami also purify individuals and areas of evil spirits. The only difference is that shinigami do both psychopomp duties as they are exorcising an area or individual. --Gdo01 23:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
They may have similar duties, but they aren't based on priests, and aren't human. They're based on (surprise) shinigami. Nobody would call the Grim Reaper or an angel an exorcist. (Now to deal with the whole fictional warrior thing... I'm thinking of just proposing that entire category for deletion, it will be so bloated as to be utterly useless) --tjstrf 00:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree that Fictional Warriors should be deleted. On the other hand, Fictional Warrior Races should be left intact. I hope that if it's listed for AfD just the fictional warrior cat is deleted. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 00:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I didn't know we had a Fictional Warrior Races. I'd agree though, Warrior Races is much more precise than simply "Warriors" is. The most annoying thing about Fictional Warriors to me though is that it doesn even stick to characters in the Fighter/Warrior archetype, instead going by the more broad definition of warriors as simply any character that fights with others. I feel bad for the IP editor who's been going around populating the category though. He's probably spent at least 20 hours on it.
Now I just need to remember how to run a CfD...--tjstrf 00:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anime and manga

Many of the character pages need to be split between the manga arc and the anime arc like the Ichigo Kurosaki article has done it. Ishida needs this most of all due to his development in the anime arc due to Yoshino.--Gdo01 20:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I know, it's on my list of edits to make. (You know? That list we all have that we never get around to...) The other major change is we need to divide information that is mostly relevant to Quincy as a whole from information about Ishida himself. The whole powers section is a giant overlap between them that could be much better organized.--tjstrf 22:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hurray for Wikipedia

Anime Omnitude: Have you researched or watched a bit of Bleach in Japanese, what were your first impressions of it? Steve Prince: The research I've done so far has been what I've read on Wikipedia. It's been very helpful for me, getting a grip on Ishido's history prior to recording.

Taken from an interview with Ishida's voice actor, Stephen Price. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor change

Can somebody change the weapon name on Uryu's profile box, since the default weapon classification does not apply to him. Same goes for Qrihime and Chad. Thx.

The infobox doesn't even have a Weapon field. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 07:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
It also doesn't have hair and eye colour, so whoever it was that kept adding those (they're everywhere it seems) you wasted the effort. --tjstrf 09:22, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccurate article

It looks like this article has been tampered with. (Which is an understatement.) I would change it, but I'm not skilled enough at the coding yet to do a great job. Have any of the other Bleach articles been messed with like this?--laevatein

I don't really see what you mean. The style and wording is consistently horrible, but most of the content is accurate. I don't see what you mean by "tampered with", although it would definitely benefit from a complete rewrite... --Anaraug 17:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Lololol. Nevermind, you were looking at this version. That was vandalism. What you can do is click the history tab at the top, then view the differences between revision, and then edit a specific revision, rather than the latest, and just save it without changing. That reverts it to a previous version, and it's what we do about vandalism. There are also some special tools that we can use to revert easily. I use popups. --Anaraug 18:03, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Why hasn't anyone mentioned his relationship with Orihime?

Because he doesn't really like her and they usually never talk especially in the new manga arc. Gdo01 21:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

But he went to Hueco Mundo for her and was upset when Urahara told him she was captured!

Yes, but that's speculation. It doesn't mean he likes her, just that they are friends or even merely that Ishida feels a duty to protect women. Being willing to go help someone you know doesn't mean you have romantic attatchments to them. --tjstrf 17:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Good" Arrancar

down in the manga section of this article nell and his friends are reffered top as "good" this seems to be POV and needs to be edited, but there needs to be some distinction between Nell and the Numero's. Would something like natural arrancar fit this? Tensa Zangetsu 00:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not POV to call good characters good when they're fictional and their personality is objectively determined by the author. --tjstrf 00:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Still for all we know Nell could be another Aizen. Tensa Zangetsu 16:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
That would be speculation, and describing Aizen as a good guy would have been accurate at his first introduction since we had no way of knowing. You might as well say we can't describe Ichigo as the main character because he might die and be replaced by his sister later. --tjstrf 16:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Perhaps an image of Ginrei Kojaku would be nice, and one of the Quincy Final Form. --Tenshou

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