Talk:Ultra-Mobile PC

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[edit] Discussion for Merge with DialKeys

Hi there,

Put this at the top, as it's an active discussion.

Basically, should DialKeys and Ultra-Mobile PC be merged, or not?

Personally, I think they should. Matt 16:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ultra Mobile PC is not Origami!!

Dear wikipedians. UMPC is not just only Origami. It is also Sony Vaio U and OQO. I suggest that there should be Ultra Mobile PC page on Wikipedia, that will desribe this platform and then links to Origami, OQO and other pages.


  • Does anyone want to add the website d-kitchen.com? It's extremely important. Go to that website click enter, work, brand theatre, and then you know what to do. It confirms that this is the "Ultra-mobile PC" that microsoft has been working on. It isn't any of those things that it says it might be(xbox portable, response to ipod, etc.), it's simply an ulta mobile tablet pc.
  • I'm not sure that the article should be so firm in its convictions. Anyone else think that the language should be changed to make it more speculative until MS actually releases the product?
    • Well go ahead and edit it to what you think is right....no one's stopping you.
      • I don't think that attitude is very helpful. I agree with the grandparent poster -- the language was not very speculative, although I don't think it's a problem any longer. But please do contribute by editing what already exists or adding new content to the article! It's always helpful to have another pair of balanced eyes to evaluate the content.

[edit] Origami Project Week 2

Go to the site and watch the Week 2 flash video. More info is coming out on 03.09.06. Who knows, maybe Microsoft is going to confirm a few things today, or maybe not. I don't know. --CanesOL79 05:02, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw that, too. If they were going to fully unveil the "Origami" today, then there wouldn't be a "week 3" it would say "insert words"etc,etc. I wonder what they're going to do?

[edit] Final Specifications

Do we really know that it will ship in black and beige and all the other fuss this article says? I thought Microsoft made it clear the video was over a year old...--Cumbiagermen 11:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere the article says the specs are final. I think it is made clear the features mentioned are speculative, but probable. --Soumyasch 11:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
At launch, it will be available in at least two colors - beige and black, and will feature a docking station. The docking station will feature a portable keyboard. It is not clear whether the docking station will come standard or if it will be sold separately. I think that implies the specs are final. --Cumbiagermen 23:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Done. Reworded that part. --Soumyasch 18:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] origamiproject.com Source Code

  • I'm glad I wasn't the only one to know that. I was just screwing around and checked the source code and saw that. I thought it was a joke by Microsoft, but apparently not. Keep up the good work, Wikipedians! --CanesOL79 02:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks -- It's positive feedback that makes it worth the effort to contribute!

[edit] Touch Presure Sensitivity

Barring some recent breakthrough in touch screen technology that the manufacturers are keeping from us in the industry pressure sensitivity accessible to software on the unit would require a stylus with a tip that measures touch pressure and the RF circuitry to send that information to the unit. The use of a software program that looks similar to one that supports but does not require a pressure sensitive stylus does not overcome the technical problems.--Nicklinn 20:07, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Or... it's a resistive touchscreen (which someone should put in the article, but I can't be bothered right now). (Yes I know it's an old comment) bjmurph talk‽ 06:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blackberry/iPod

It is also rumoured that the Origami will be a rival of both the iPod and the BlackBerry, although this has not yet been officialy confirmed.

Should this line be kept in the text? It is quite clear now that Origami will not be a competitor to portable media player (like iPod) nor just a communication handset (like BlckBerry) but a fully features mobile PC. So I don't think the statement is valid, and should be removed. --Soumyasch 05:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Origami Picture

There is a picture of the Origami (or something) on www.windowsfordevices.com. Can it be put up on the page? I am new here I don't know all the ins and outs yet. Link: [[1]] I guess it won't matter since the press release is in 2 days.--Doom Child 23:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

That origami isn't related to Microsoft's. It was a concept for a phone.

Oh ok. I guess theirs might be that tablet thing then.--Doom Child 11:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DVD or CD?

How are you going to input programs via DVD, Mini-DVD or CD? MarioV 18:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

USB --155.31.32.36 19:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's New?

What Microsoft forgot, was that ultra-mobile PCs were around five years ago, and failed miserably. Tablet PCs got a little better reputation, but in the long run, simply didn't have the potential to compete against mainstream laptops. So, how's this device any different? Well, it's really not! The PC promises to deliver a 'staggering' speed of 1GHz on a shitty Celeron M processor, a whopping 256mb of RAM, and the same version of Windows XP Tablet PC Edition that has been billed on many computers over the past half a decade. And with a hefty pricetag of $600+, I failt to see how this computer offers a stunning or even remotely competetive corner on the mobile market. --155.31.32.36 19:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The articles are meant to be unbiased and have no POV. The talk pages are here so that editors can discuss ways to improve the articles not for pointless speclulation and/or trolling. Please keep all future posts to do with improving the article and troll someplace else. Citizen erased 21:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

What you must remember is that this kind of UMPC is the first, as with the older versions humans did not have the same tech as we have now o_O. UMPCs are so small, so it is actually a marvel how it can pack so much stuff in that tiny place in the first place -_- The pointer outer 02:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hype Campaign

It wasn't a launch campaign or advertising campaign. It was a HYPE campaign. Why do people keep renaming it? The timing and vague details that "leaked" out up to the CeBit release were designed to create media awareness and excitement. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thoughtfix (talk • contribs) 16:46, 22 March 2006 (EDT).

Hype is a very loaded word in this situation, especially because the campaign wasn't exaggerating the capabilities of the UMPC very much. "Launch" is a less-pejorative term. æle ✆ 21:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
There aren't any products on the market but the pre-CeBit market discussion generated probably the most successful pre-announcement media/rumor frenzy. As we see from Apple's business, the "what's next?" excitement is a driving force in the consumer electronics game.
I also strongly disagree that the pre-release buzz wasn't exaggerated. References: [2] [3] [4]
The "Project Origami blog" revealed that this campaign was deliberate and showed the timeline. They call it a "buzz campaign" - probably because they're afraid of the word "hype" too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thoughtfix (talk • contribs) 13:11, 24 March 2006 (EDT).
The "hype" covered in those articles seems to have been speculation on the part of the press, not any official statements by Microsoft. The Digital Kitchen video was apparently intended for internal use only by Microsoft, though whether or not the leak was intentional is another matter. æle ✆ 23:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree with æle. What MS did was launch the viral marketing campaign, but it was the media who hyped it up. MS never even disclosed what the thing was or what it was supposed to do. Everything was speculated by the audience. So I feel Hype Campaign is an incorrect term for Launch Campaign --Soumyasch 05:54, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
That video [5] can go either way. While "Origami" is not an actual public product name (rather an internal project code) it lands credence to the idea that it was supposed to be "internal only," the production value and length of the demo clearly indicates that the video was meant to appeal to consumers. I don't think the definition of hype is inaccurate even if the exaggeration was on the part of the media. As it stands, the abilities of the device as shown in the video are beyond those of currently announced devices and demonstrations at CeBIT --Thoughtfix 20:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge?

The article called "Samsung Q1" and this one are basically the same thing, but wiht the other having less info but a bigger picture. Shouldn't they be merged? The pointer outer 02:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. UMPCs are a class of PCs of which Q1 is just one model. So it is natural that there should be some overlap. But the articles should exist distinctly, with the UMPC page describing the concepts and baseline features, while actual device pages listing their full feature set as well as their pros and cons. --Soumyasch

[edit] Where are the other devices?

I'm pretty sure that 4 other UMPCs have been announced...There's one from Founder, TabletKiosk, PBJ, and i'm pretty sure there's one more...Someone please add these! It will make it a much better article. :)

[edit] Significant changes

I've taken out several sections of the article and reworded others. The biggest change is the removal of the "Limitations" section, reproduced in its entirety below.

Ruggedness: Being touted as an anytime/anyplace personal companion, the device is exposed to the same kinds of risks as a mobile phone and is likely undergo similar abuse, requiring repair or replacement within the first 18 months. Customers realizing this key factor demand sub-$500 prices for such short-lifespan mobile devices.
Pricing: The intended prices of models slated for launch in 2006 are well above the sub-$1000 target range. Simultaneously some brand new, fully functional, entry-level notebooks are available for under $500.
Availability: Only two major vendors and two minor ones have announced production plans, without any specific launch dates as of yet. Territories in which the products are to be distributed are also unclear.
Battery Life: Currently available charge densities of batteries restrict usage time into the vicinity of 2hrs. People constantly on the move rarely appreciate carrying an AC charger and plugging in a few times daily. Kinetic chargers that tap energy from the users motion (walking) are available and might be sold additionally.
Portability: The size and weight is still too much to fit common clothing, requiring a rather large belt-strapped pouch when not in use. Unlike their wearable cousins, both hands are usually needed to operate a UMPC, reducing usage scenarios even further.
Usability: HMD support and trainable voice/writing recognition are lacking. An appropriately customized operating system is absent. The included edition of Windows occupies ~1GB, contains ~10 thousand files, and ~100 services; a great deal of which are not relevant to the vast majority of mobile computing use cases.
Modularity: Standards based modular expansion has long been the hallmark of the PC industry, extending product life well into the future through inexpensive upgrades. In order for Ultra-Mobiles to live up to their name, they might address size by separating core from battery/storage/display, provide a practical way to wear the separated components (ammo belt), use faster ports (PCI-Express external cable), and provide enough of them for users to avail a variety of extensions covering positioning, imaging, and future wireless infrastructure.

The cited limitations are likely just opinions, especially since UMPCs are completely new and few, if any, have access to one on a regular basis. We will hear about any major problems from the public.

In addition, the "References" and "External links" sections have been pared down to the links provided by Microsoft and Intel because (1) the references are not actually referenced from within the article (WP:CITE) and (2) quite a few of the external links seem like attempts at self-promotion. These sections really need to be monitored carefully, clearly labeled (especially references; see {{citenews}}), and discussed on this talk page. I have removed the following sites:

References

External links

Finally, I have moved the article to "Ultra-Mobile PC" because Microsoft uses the hyphen. æle ✆ 22:17, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that "Limitations" section should be reinserted, all those limitations still apply as of July 2006, they're not opinions. Battery life, specifically, is a serious issue.

[edit] Confusing statements

Founder is Elitegroup Computer Systems (ECS) H70 rebranded. TabletKiosk manufacturers the V-700.

I took out these lines becaue the meaning implied by these is unclear. Please rephrase these before putting them back in. --Soumyasch 05:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yahoo reference broken

Please fix the yahoo link, it is broken. i couldnt find a substitute


[edit] Not a UMPC

By definition, the sony UX series currently is not in the category of umpc, as it has a 5" screen among other things that disqualify it.

  • I am kind of torn about which devices we should classify as UMPC.

Microsoft's official hardware specifications are:

  1. Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 OS
  2. Approximately 7” diagonal display (or smaller)
  3. Minimum 800 x 480 resolution
  4. Approximately 2 pounds
  5. Integrated touch panel
  6. WiFi- and Bluetooth-enabled

--Bjornstar 04:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] umpc niche?

Perhaps we should mention the 'classic' dispute over umpc not being small enough for your pocket yet not being large enough to be powerful or comfortable, etc etc

[edit] Prices

Both the Samsung Q1 & Samsung Q1b are now available at all North America Best Buy stores, Fry's Electronics, and CompUSA stores for US$1099 & US$899 respectively.

Is this actually true? I wasn't able to find the lower price on any of the three stores. Where do these prices come from?

24.114.252.226 22:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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