Talk:Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs)

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This article was nominated for deletion on 2006-10-15. The result of the discussion was keep.

Contents 1 Clone Saga 2 The seminar 3 the game 4 Captured by Oscorp... 5 Super Special 6 Complete rewrite 7 THANKS!

[edit] Clone Saga

This six armed Spider-Man clone mentioned in the Ultimate Clone Saga article, I've been wondering if this unamed Spidey clone could be a reference to the Doppelganger. -- Lord Crayak

It's supposed to be Ultimate Tarantula. -- Comiclover420

Either way, it needs to be substantiated in a reputable source that the character appearing in the comic book is, in fact, Ultimate Tarantula or Ultimate Doppelganger before adding it to the article. --Newt_ΨΦ 19:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Bendis stated that by issue #100 we would see ultimate tarantula. what more proof do you need?

Not one character in the comic said that the character you mention is Ultimate Tarantula, nor do any secondary sources. Until they do, it's either original research or speculation, both of which are against Wikipedia policy. --Newt_ΨΦ 00:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Bendis stated that it was him. im not disagreeing with you on adding it or not but it IS him. also why does it matter? this page is about to get deleted by the admins even though alot of people put their heart and ssoul into it myself included. i think its the best page on wikipedia comic book wise. Comiclover 420

If Bendis said that the character that has six arms and wears a black costume in issue #100 is Ultimate Tarantula, provide a link or source for that information and it can be added to the Tarantula (comics) article. As for this article being deleted, it will more than likely be merged into Ultimate Spider-Man if anything happens to it at all. --Newt_ΨΦ 02:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, Bendis said in Wizard Magazine [1] that we would see: Scorpion, Spider-Woman, Tarantula, Spider-Girl, and one character we'd never expect to see again. I hink that since we knew Carnage would return and wanted Doc Ock to, the 'unexpected' was Peters Father. Scorpion and Spider-Woman have already made publicised appearances; and so, we can presume it's Tarantula for the fact that he isn't female (Therefore not Spider-Girl - who is possibly MJ), Doppelganger is a far too obscure and forgotten character to have n ultimate version - and hey, Pete and a few others have themselves possessed Six Arms in 616 - and no other character has even vaguley resembled a Taranula up to this Point. I rest my case.

Presumption is inference and speculation. Inference is independent analysis. Wikipedia editors report, we do not analyze nor speculate. Please read policy and understand the goal of this project before arguing further. Understand I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusions, they seem well-founded. However, they are your conclusions, and as a Wikipedia editor, you cannot add those to an article unless you find a reputable source for them. --Newt_ΨΦ 18:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing its probably a combination of Tarantula and Doppelganger, taking elements from both characters, like Doppelganger the guy is a Spider-Man clone and has six arms, can't think of any similarities to Tarantula though. But since Wikipedia isn't for theorys don't take this into consideration -- Lord Crayak

If you look at the costume, it looks based on one iteration of Tarantula's. That's the only similarity. --Newt_ΨΦ 23:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

You can't tell me I'm 'Presuming' things when you're judging a character identity based only on the fact that he has 6 arms. Note: Doppelganger had claws, insectoid eyes, teeth, and a tendence for unmeasured, blind killing; this Character seems to have none of those, wanting to protect Mary-Jane Wtason from harm like the Spider-Men before him. I think perhaps the 6 arms thing may be a reference to the 616 Tarantula's eventual mutation (he grew four weird tentacle-limblets), the fact that in Amazing Spider-man 100 Peter grew the extra arms trying to rid himself of his powers - as Ultimate Nick Fury has expresed a wish to - and his costume may hav a few similarities wih those of the far stronger 616 character, The Black Tarantula.

[edit] The seminar

Throuought many comics Peter's class ahd to write a paper on a super hero they chose. It was kibnd of a sub arc. It ended In Ultimate spider-man super spetial edition where Peter presented his presentation.

Anybody gonna put it in the aticle or should I do it?

I don't think so - it didn't really have an effect on the plot or the characters, except for the fact that we yet again got to see that Ultimate Liz Allan is a Xenophobe.

[edit] the game

should someone put this?

I think Not. The game seems to have had no real effect on Canon Comics, nor any signficance - Peter does not remember havign Seen Venom, Silver Sable has never seen Spider-Man. Therefore, we can presume the little 'Game is Canon' Experiment didn't work out.

[edit] Captured by Oscorp...

It said under Clone Saga that MJ was captured by Oscorp. However she is in the abandon Oscorp building, and with Norman and Harry absent Oscorp is, well, dead. She is in the Oscorp building, but not by Oscorp. Justr thought I'd mention why I changed it...

[edit] Super Special

Should this be part of the Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs)? It's not a part of the Ultimate Spider-Man books but it has the character in it. ≈ Seraph 31 15:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I put it in at one time but some jerk wad deleted it -- comiclover420

Please assume good faith and avoid personal attacks. --Newt_ΨΦ 19:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Complete rewrite

After narrowly surviving the VfD (see above), I thought it was a good idea to rewrite this thing, reducing the in-universe part and extending the out-of-universe perspective as per WP:WAF (Push an out of universe POV, In-universe POV is bad) and WP:NOT (Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information, especially not a collection of pure plot summaries). I reduced the plots to the bare bones and tried to bring in some real world info. Note that I wrote quite a bit on the old version myself (esp. issues 1-80), so this is also a good bit of rectifying some old errors of mine, IMHO. Also note Ultimate Spider-Man on www.spiderfan.org, a dedicated site on Spidey, offers much better and deeper info on the story arcs than Wikipedia (by its definition of being an encyclopaedia for everyone, not just comic fans like us) could ever have. Onomatopoeia 12:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this. However, I think consensus is to keep this information in paragraph form. I may be wrong. If I'm not, I can help convert it. --Psyphics_ΨΦ 14:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. I didn't know whether it was also agreed to keep it in paragraph form, but if yes, ok. I just want to avoid this being a pure in-universe plot parrot. Onomatopoeia 14:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I applaud you for that. I'll drop a line at WP:CMC's talk page. -Psyphics_ΨΦ 14:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I have no problem with blanking this article and making it a empty redirection page to Ultimate Spider-Man#History of Ultimate Spider-Man. Thoughts? Onomatopoeia 14:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd support that, but I think since "consensus" of the AfD was to keep the article, we should probably keep this separate. --Psyphics_ΨΦ 14:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah, don't sweat it. If someone from the AFD objects to a redirect, they can come and explain why here. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You did the wrong thing. You made people angry.

Change it back.

[edit] THANKS!

Thanks to the kind user who restored this article - the consensus was Keep, and the consensus will stay that way! SaliereTheFish