Talk:Uday Hussein
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[edit] Blatant Plagiarism
A good deal of the text of this article is ripped verbatim from news articles cited therein. I've done a significant rewrite but much more work remains to be done -- particularly in citing some of the more questionable allegations. Furthermore, given the bulleted nature of the list, I propose that the "allegations" be moved to their own separate heading either before or after the "Death" section. On the other hand, shouldn't the "Death" section be merged with the "Biography" section?
Most of the "Biography" section is vague and lacking in transitions. The statement about the purchase of uranium in particular is lacking in depth or background. I think it should be either fleshed out or deleted.
This article attempts to present a NPOV, but overall it's a poorly written melange of snippets from online news articles. When I first read the article, some of the sentences were so nearly unintelligible that I was lead to believe the author/editor probably did not speak English as a native language. --Nonstopdrivel 12:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Older talk
I'm unfamilier with Iraqi names, but I remember that their structure is: given name + father's name + grandfather's name + great-grandfather's name... So, isn't he Udai Saddam Hussein? Saddam is his father (the President of Iraq) and Hussein is his grandfather. -- Nanshu 13:22 Mar 18, 2003 (UTC)
Who was Saddam's father? Susan Mason
The format is given name + father's name + grandfather's name + clan name, therefore he is Udai Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti and his father is Saddam Hussein 'Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti - Efghij 22:28 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)
My question is: is it ok to call him "Uday Hussein"? Given the naming convention, it sounds like his father'name is Hussein. --Nanshu 23:57 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- That;s what the news media uses. We just use whatever form people are familiar with. --Jiang
Do we have some independent confirmation of their deaths yet? Right now if the American military told me that one and one made two, I'd ask for a cite. - Montréalais
- Considering the attention being paid to topic article, it's probably safe to leave the current death date in there - if it's discovered that the American government is lying again, it'll get fixed pretty quickly. Bryan
Uday Hussein? That tyrant, eh? Rickyrab 22:37 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I'm just trying to get rid of some of the "eating babies" type stuff by looking through to see if there's things that don't seem to be supported by... well, anything at all. The one I'm currently looking at is the accusation of Uday forcing a french couple to have sex at gunpoint. If a French foreign minister made this claim, it should have been big news, and be well evidenced. I can't find a thing about it anywhere but Wikipedia. Can anyone back this up? We all know Uday was pretty awful, but we want to at least make sure that when we're reporting rumors as fact, that they're at least common rumors with some degree of backing ;) Rei
[edit] About rounds being fired
I added a quick note about rounds being fired, and wanted to say a few more things but ran the risk of getting wordy on something note entirely relevant to the article. I was going to continue on to say that "celebration" and "mourning" generally have the same physical appearance in the Arab world. I would gladly appreciate if someone more experienced with Wikipedia would edit my comments to include this in a less wordy manor. Greatly appreciated --Ahmed Stephens 21:06, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Iron Maiden
I seem to have found some conflicting information in the paragraph about the iron maiden. Bold statements indicate emphasis added by me.
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- After the war, a correspondent for TIME magazine discovered an iron maiden of undetermined age and origin in the grounds outside the Olympic building. An iron maiden is a sarcophagus with spikes facing inward that puncture the victim's body. There is no evidence that it was ever used.
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- "Around 7 feet tall, three feet across and deep enough to house a grown man, the sarcophagus-shaped device found in Baghdad was clearly worn from use, its nails having lost some of their sharpness. It lay on its side within view of Uday's first-floor offices in the soccer association. Ironically, the torture device was brought to TIME's attention by a group of looters who had been stripping the compound of anything of value. They had left behind the iron maiden, believing it to be worthless."
That seems like evidence it had been used, doesn't it? --BDD 12:42, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Gegeo Murder
"Gegeo had recently introduced Saddam to a beautiful, younger woman, Samira Shahbandar, who later became Saddam's second wife. Uday took this as an insult to his mother (his father's first cousin)." <-- That makes no sense. Which Saddam is in reference? I'd assume Uday, because that is who the article is about. Therefore, what did Uday take as an insult? Jachin 21:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Face reconstruction
I think it might be a good idea to link the face reconstruction of his body along with the actual death shots, as it's less gruesome. PirateMonkey 07:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] look-alike
The mentioned look-alike may be Latif Yahia. He has written the book "I Was Saddam's Son" which describes his work as Uday's double. Perhaps his book should be linked in this article? 18:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Condoms
There were rumours about condoms found in Uday's possession when he died. I think this should be clarified. I don't know if it's true or not, but if someone has a verifiable source, this information should be added. The fact that he had condoms with him or not is not significant. What's significant is the rumours. --Ronweezlee 12:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Picture
I would replace the Ace of Hearts -picture with a proper headshot, there's a POVish feel to it. The same goes with the with the picture of Qusay Hussein.194.157.147.48 22:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed note on propaganda
I have removed the statement after the allegations made by ABC TV channel in 2003 which states that '(Note: These allegations could be propaganda by Hussein enemies)' because it is not necessary at all. Any news report can be propaganda and we dont need to be reminded of that fact. It seems that the statement I deleted was in itself designed as pro-Saddam propaganda. Anyway, we can let the reader decide for themselves.
I've rarely read so much speculation in any subject. "he stole 1200 luxury cars" - 1 a week since he was 10, yeah likely. Reference some of this junk.
[edit] Uday's corpse photo
I think the image is too strong and quite controversial. It should be replaced or deleted.
- Why? --Nonstopdrivel 06:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Because there is a certain amount of respect that should be given to the dead regardless of our POV.
I am sure that we could dig out tons of death photos of noteworthy individuals in Wikipedia. But the question that we must ask is how does that picture help us better define that particular individual.70.55.238.80 17:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] celebratory fire?
I'm going to clean up the little part about celebratory gunfire. It seems a little self-contradictory to first say that citizens greeted the deaths of the Hussein sons with celebratory gunfire and then ponder whether it actually was celebratory. I'll reword it to reflect the uncertainty. Dkostic 19:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
