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[edit] Bizarre allegations

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

Regarding this diff summary of yours:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKoenraad_Elst&diff=81201566&oldid=81199663

Hkelkar 13:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I think now it is time to end this little joke. YOU made personnal attacks by accusing me of unsubstantied things. BTW, I'm still waiting your quotations. TwoHorned 14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Show me which of my statements were "personal attacks". All my comments were on content, not contributor. Per the rule of WP:NPA that is not a personal attack. You explicitly called me a "bozo". That's an attack against me. You persisted even after I warned you. I give you one chance to apologize before I report you.Hkelkar 15:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Here is your personnal attack, as it appeared in [1]:
"By mentioning "neoconservative", his political leanings, instead of the details of his qualifications, you are making a false characterization of Pipes. His political beliefs are separate from his scholastic abilities.If you continue to violate WP:BLP in this manner and make the "neocon" anti-semitic canard (you actually mean "Jew", right?) against Pipes then it is grounds for reporting in BLP noticebaard.Hkelkar 12:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)"
-1 This attack is false, not based on any content (you still haven't substantiated this stupid and pathetic accusation).
-2 This attack is pure forgery, total invention and not based on any content : it is an extremely grave accusation, unjustified. Saying that Pipes is a neoconservative first instead of a scholar is not quite a proof of antisemistism, and Wikipedia introduces Pipes exactly like that.
-3 Your pityfull "warning" is not very impressive: not only you won't get any excuse from me, but I'm still waiting the quotations I asked. Given the gravity of your accusation, you'd be better of answering, believe me. TwoHorned 17:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Suggesting an anti-semitic bias on your part is not a personal attack. I did not call you an "anti-semite".A person can have an unconscious anti-semitic bias and not be an anti-semite. An anti-semite is a person who has a conscious bias against Jews.It is posible for a non-bigot to have a bigoted bias through media exposure, propaganda exposure (there is a LOT of anti-semitic propaganda on the internet, launched by Neo-Nazis, Palestinians,other Muslims, leftist liberals ie New anti-Semitism etc.) and cultural connections. I did not make a disparaging statement against you. You, however, addressed me in the pejorative, a clear personal attack. You continue to be incivil in your posts. If you persist, I will take this to ANB.
What quotations are you talking about exactly? Please elaborate.Hkelkar 18:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
What quotations ? Refer to my claim on [2]. Suggesting anti-semitic bias IS personal attack, referred to under the term Accusatory comments in the Wikipedia definition of personal attacks. Your nauseating explanations using subconsciousness have no value: you can accuse everyone of everything without any proof with such concepts. I repeat: you'd be better of answering my demand in [3], since what you have done against me is not just personal attack, but something that can go much farther. TwoHorned 18:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
You made the statement "neocon" in the header of the article talk page Talk:Koenraad Elst#Controversies about Elst's links with the neocons and the extreme right, as well as several times in the conversation. The term "neocon" is a pejorative for neoconservatives generally regarded as an insult and with connotations of an ethnic slur as, historically, anti-semites have used it to make accusations of neoconservatism being "dominated by Jews", "controlled by Jews" or "espousing dual loyalty to Israel" etc. They try to justify this by using the fact that the founder of the neoconservative political institution, Irving Kristol, was Jewish and neoconservatism is a foreign policy matter in the USA.That, together with the traditional anti-semitic canard of "dual loyalty" leads the accusations to an appearence of credibility in left wing circles.Bear in mind that even critics of neoconservatism on wikipedia do not use this pejorative to refer to them, Thus, I was concerned as to whether your obvious opposition to neoconservatism and you (falsely) associating it with the far right was the result of a mainstream political opinion bolstered by falsifications and rhetoric (which is a poor use of wikipedia discussion pages, but not against wikipedia policy) or a hidden anti-semitic bias (which would be a very serious matter). There are ways to establish the background behind your opinions and, if it turns out that you do not, point of fact, have an anti-semitic bias but are merely ignorant of the truth concerning the neoconservative movement, then I will apologize to you.Hkelkar 20:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
This is becoming more and more hilarious. The term "neocon" is just an abbreviation of "neoconservative", used in a pejorative way, that may be, but in a usual political sense only, and it is not intended to be particularly anti-semitic. If you try to tag everyone on earth that used the term "neocon" as an antisemite, then, well, you've got quite some work to do. By the way, just have a look on the Wikipedia page for Neoconservatism and just count how many times the word neocon is used. It is, on the contrary, your obsession to insult people that do not share your views as "anti-semitic" that is quite revealing about your psychological bias. Everywhere in the mainstream media, and also in Wikipedia discussions, the term neocon is used by people that oppose to the neoconservative movement. And these people, you know, may be perfectly aware and as learned as you pretend to be about the political and ideological warfare concerning the neoconservatives. I don't give a damn about your apologies and you will never get any apology from me. But again, I am still waiting your precise quotations from me proving that I said something about the neocons and the jews. Come' on, I'm still waiting, but I will not wait for too long. TwoHorned 20:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another try

This diff: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Koenraad_Elst&oldid=81575971#About_some_accusations_levelled_in_this_discussion_page HAs the tone of a personal attack. Please reword it better or I will report you. Plus, I will file an RFCU against you as I suspect that you are a sock of indefbanned User:Robert Lindsay Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. Hkelkar 12:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Defamation on Koenraad Elst; really ?

Such comments [4] on talkpages of biographies of living people are not acceptable. Also, please remember that Zydenbos's personal Angelfire homepage is not a reliable source that satisfies the rigourous criteria of WP:BLP. There are many such cases when one searches the Koenraad Elst history (like this [5]) Please read WP:BLP and related pages. --Bondego 11:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Elst's interest into neo-paganism is written in the article page itself since long time ago, and does not seem to have triggered any particular reaction. Moreover, Elst's interest into neo-paganism is written by Elst himself in his short bio on VOI. However, I consent to remove the word "right-wing", which could leave to misunderstandings. But I don't think I've made a defamation here. And the discussion related to Angelfire is unrelated to this. It is still in discussion. TwoHorned 11:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've done the modification: I removed the word "right-wing". TwoHorned 11:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I've also added the following ref: see [6] which justifies my first edit. But the word right-wing is removed. TwoHorned 12:12, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warning

This is in regards to you recent edit to Hkelkar's talk page. If you have a problem with Hkelkar - seek mediation, file an RfC, or go to ArbCom. But do not fight on talk pages. I consider using edit summaries like "adherence... o surely" to be disruptive. Consider this as a warning. - Aksi_great (talk) 13:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Good. From now on think twice before clicking every time on the save button. Our goal is to build an encyclopedia, not to fight. Cheers. - Aksi_great (talk) 13:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppetry

Hello TwoHorned. Thanks for your interest. I welcome you to email me with your evidence. I will be presenting the evidence as per the suggestions of Daniel Bryant. I agree with him that the evidence should not be staggered and we should have a solid case right from the beginning. BhaiSaab talk 11:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Good idea. The talk page grew into a forum for sarcasm and nonsense anyways.Bakaman Bakatalk 14:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I made those changes. Please do note that Angelfile doesnt meet WP:RS, but in the spirit of working together I placed the angelfire link in the references section, so its not in the main article. If what I gather from you is that you are against his views about Europe, then I really dont have much issue, because his views on europe are irrelevant to me.Bakaman Bakatalk 23:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration

Hello, you are involved in a request for arbitration. Please see this case. BhaiSaab talk 23:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey TwoHorned. I have noticed that you continue to update your post on the request for arbitration. I suggest you not worry about it yet, because it's only a request right now. Once the request gets accepted you can compile whatever you want into an evidence section that it will have. Thanks. BhaiSaab talk 20:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elst

You have to write according to the references cited.-Bharatveer 04:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I removed the reference for two reasons: First, it doesn't meet WP:RS for WP:BLP at all. It is a forum post!! Secondly, I replaced it with a better reference for the Elst article, an article written by the person in question itself.
Please realize that forum posts and Zydenbos personal homepage do not meet WP:BLP. Thank you. --Bondego 16:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar

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An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Hkelkar/Workshop.

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[edit] Response

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[edit] Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Hkelkar

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