User talk:Twisted86

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Welcome!

Hello, Twisted86, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Katr67 05:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Bwahahahaha!!! Katr67 05:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Talk pages

Here's the info I mentioned last night about what to do with lengthy talk pages. The word is "refactoring", which is a little more heavy handed than archiving. Katr67 16:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks! A bit more extreme than I was thinking, but it gives me some future guidance. Twisted86 04:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon articles

I created new articles on Old West Salem City Hall and Zena, Oregon. Also added a bit to the new article West Salem, Salem, Oregon, and cleaned up Spring Valley Presbyterian Church. If you have any interesting tidbits to add, please do! Katr67 15:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. I'll take a photo of the old WS City Hall at some point. I'll add that to the my list with the photo of the Capitol Theater parking lot. We've occasionally picnicked out at Zena. Another interesting potential article in the Zena area is the Spring Valley Community Center.... Hmm.... I guess while I'm in West Salem, it isn't that far to go on out to Zena. <sigh> Twisted86 06:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Nobody said it was easy over here on the Darkside... Katr67 14:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Oregon State Hospital is up and running now too. Timely! Right now it's just a collection of randomness, but there's plenty of material to work with there, if we can keep the POV down to a dull roar. Katr67 14:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clever quotation

The strongest drive is not love or hate. It is one person's need to change another's copy. Unknown

The strongest drive is not love or hate. It is one person's need to ~~change~~ edit another's copy. Twisted86 07:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The White Train

A friend just enearthed negatives of photos taken by another friend in high school of some of them being dragged off and arrested while protesting the thing, so I was inspired. I think Peaceworks might have published some of them. Katr67 14:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stub protocol

Hey there, I thought I would direct you to this discussion about stubs. I know I tend to put a stub tag on anything that seems incomplete to me so it would end up on the stub list and someone would expand it (witness my trolling of the Oregon geo stubs list today and subsequent messing with "Yaquina" tangent), but I guess that isn't always the best thing to do. (I trust Bkonrad aka older ≠ wiser.) There are a bunch of expansion templates for putting on talk pages...just when I had stubs all figured out *sigh*. Katr67 21:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been trying to control the urge. :-)

Seriously, I know some of the stuff I've stubbed probably shouldn't be. Like you said, expansion templates. <sigh> is right.... Twisted86 05:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cursed soldiers

Hi there. I simply wanted to make the sentence a tad shorter. It's still too long, but what the heck. As to the source for Franczak, he is fairly well known in Poland and it's not a problem to find a source explaining the details of his death. Interestingly, it seems Poland was the home country of both the first and the last partisans of WWII.. As to specific citable sources, I guess one could add either this article (Gazeta Wyborcza) or this blob from the Polish public TV. I'll try to find some English sources later today. //Halibu tt 07:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Strange, it seems there are no English language google links at all... I'll try to write a short article on the guy if you're interested. //Halibu tt 09:58, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Kind of you to offer. My personal interest is only passing. However, there is someone else out there I am sure who would enjoy such an article. Write away! Twisted86 04:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oregon in the Civil War

Thanks for your efforts to start a Category:Oregon in the Civil War! I have created similar categories for other states, and appreciate you taking the lead on your home state. Nice work. Scott Mingus 13:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for taking the lead elsewhere. For a western and ostensibly loyal Union state, Oregon had an interesting time during the ACW.... Twisted86 10:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You've been busy!

Wow! Great (and painstaking) work on fixing up the cats for so many Civil War articles. This is a nice improvement. Scott Mingus 12:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! It's like eating potato chips, though. I got to about 3 a.m. and said, "Ugh! What am I doing still awake?" Twisted86 19:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut and paste moves

Regarding Universal (disambiguation). Just letting you know that to swap two pages names, the "move" tab should be used, never cut and paste content (this is so all the authors are listed correctly to comply with the GFDL licence Wikipedia uses). An admin may be required, you can request such moves at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Also, disambiguation pages should not use "(disambiguation)" if it can be avoided, there is more on this at Malplaced disambiguation pages. There is no need to reply to this message.--Commander Keane 13:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the reminder. At first, I didn't think that was what I had done. After a second look, I realized that technically I did do a cut-and-paste, although I would point out that both pages were all but identical. But, I see your point, especially with regard to histories.

Thanks also for the info on "malplaced disambiguation pages". However, there is nothing in the MOS guidelines for disambig pages that says that disambiguation pages should not have (disambiguation) as part of the page's name. In fact, the MOS guidelines say that either practice is accceptable. It appears to me that efforts (such as yours) to change this practice do not have consensus.

Finally, it would have been nice if perhaps you had started your comment with something like, "Thank you for your efforts to eliminate redundancy between Universal and Universal (disambiguation) and the related pages. However,...." As it was, the tone of your comment came across a bit stronger than perhaps you intended. Twisted86 19:44, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip about using ""Thank you for your efforts...", I have taken that on board and am using it now, my message certainly was too strong - sorry. I corrected the MOS guidelines for disambig pages to include the information that was confusing people. And I can now see that your situation with the cut and paste move was tricky and an easy error. Thanks for your ideas :-) --Commander Keane 04:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Border Ruffian

Whether it belongs in the Civil War category is borderline (since it's mainly about the origins of the civil war, rather than the actual civil war itself), but it doesn't belong in the Confederate States Army category (because it has almost nothing to do with the Confederate States Army). AnonMoos

[edit] Reed Opera House and McCornack Block Addition

I did a major copyedit on this--if you can give it a sanity check, that would be cool. I think it needs more focus on the architecture (and a photo), and some clarification of the history, but note I refrained from mentioning the bar by name. :) Katr67 23:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amateur Fencers League of America

Oooh! Shiny! I'll try to take a look at it tonight. Katr67 14:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The first thing I notice is that the references show up the TOC and that looks a little odd, not sure how you want to handle that. I copyedited the first section—see what you think. BTW, you don't have to use HTML coding to make em dashes—you can just insert one using the tools below the edit box (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes)). New York and Nebraska! Who would've thunk it... Oh, Webster and Chicago (Manual of Style) agree that bi-monthly doesn't take a hyphen, but hey, I think it looks all right with one. Next section in a few. I learned a new word from M-W today—"mouse potato". Gotta go do stuff... Katr67 03:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I did the other history section and the rest looks good. (If there's any good stuff on controversy about rule changes, that might be interesting. Or maybe I've been watching too much reality TV...) The section on divisions might border on listcruft, perhaps breaking it into even shorter columns, or even unlistifying the content would work just as well, thus allowing those interested to access the material, and saving everyone else from having to scroll through it. :) Let me know when you're ready to write that AFL article! (I'll finish up the real world project related to that tonight.) P.S. Uh oh, NPR just mentioned Colbert's "wikiality" and "truthiness". Good thing Oregon was semi-protected today. Katr67 14:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome message, dude! Darthsantaclaus 02:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speaking of listcruft

Check out what I did to Ellis F. Lawrence. He was a busy guy. Also one of his houses in Portland is up for sale. [1] It has that Mahonia Hall look, and another real estate agent in need of a copy editor... Katr67 19:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Shhh. I'm supposed to be taking a wikibreak...Actually, if you look at the TOC, you'll see that the Other buildings part is not a subsubsection of NRHP, but just a subsec of buildings. I'll have to see what I can do about the formatting. The Franklin Building in Salem is aka the Masonic Building on State Street, BTW. I don't know if you saw the stuff I put on the talk page, but about 260 of his buildings are still standing. Yow. Yeah, we should bring it up to the Wikiproject. Of course I've added a million suggestions lately and the only one people really went for was Oregon wine, and little bit on Government of Oregon. Shows us where our priorities lie... Katr67 18:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re:Welcome back!

Thppfft! Katr67 19:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linking dates/official titles

Woohoo, how 'bout that Harry Minto? I just thought I would mention that linking individual years seems to be frowned on, judging by all the bot edits I've seen reversing such linking I have done. There isn't a firm consensus on this however, and perhaps you are using the rationale that it provides context for the article. Oh, and I'm too lazy to check on the various official titles in that article, did you? The official ones should be capitalized, I think, fer instance "Marion County Sheriff" sounds like the right title, whereas, for example, "sheriff of Marion County" doesn't. No biggie. Carry on. Katr67 08:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor edits

Twisted - You left a note on my talkpage asking me not to label my vandalism reversions as minor. The reversion to which you referred was done with the rollback link that is provided to administrators. The software automatically marks these reversions as minor. If you think this is inappropriate, you should probably take it up with the software developers, perhaps at WP:VPT. Also, using warning templates like {{minor}} with longstanding editors can sometimes make editors upset, since many of us predate the existence of such templates. I'm not such an editor, and I appreciate your dedication to making wikipedia a better place. But I have angered folks by using these templates and thought I should warn you. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 22:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Twisted - No need to apologize, I'm not upset. As a matter of fact, WP:MINOR does list removing vandalism as a valid use of the "minor edit" flag. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 22:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus Camp

I left this information on the Jesus Camp talk page in repsonse to your request for further documentation: I have seen the full documentary and have read many articles about it by others who have also seen it. The edits were supported first by the link to the ministry's web site which documents the kind of anti-abortion session that is depicted in the film. The ministry's web site also documents that the session did occur at the children's ministry. Further evidence of the documentary covering the anti-abortion teaching is supported by 45 pages of Google search results when searching for +Abortion "Jesus Camp" (Pages that include both the title of the film "Jesus Camp" and the word Abortion.) Please see http://www.google.com/search?hs=FfC&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%2Babortion+%22jesus+camp%22&btnG=Search for many articles, blogs, and pages that corroborate that anti-abortion teaching and rallying is clearly an important subject of this much-discussed, contemporary documentary.

Is this an acceptable way of providing supporting evidence? Thanks. Wikedit9

More discussion and documentation on this topic follows at the Talk page for Jesus Camp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_Camp#Reversion_of_unsupported_edits Thanks. Wikedit9 02:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Your addition of this link to many Wikipedia pages indicates linkspamming. Please select one, or at most two, appropriate pages and remove the link from others. If this is your own page, you need to obtain approval from the community on the talk page for an article before adding the link. See WP:WPSPAM for more info. Pollinator 02:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SDC

How is the following article vanity? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_Demon_Community --SeanMcG 03:49, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IP Template for Kintera

Nifty, thanks! I'm adding it to my list. Katr67 03:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Mt. Pigah. Aieee!!! Stop stalking my edits. :P JK, I do it to you. Why is everyone home on Saturday night? Katr67 04:01, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A request for the keeper of the magic book (Oregon Geographic Names)...

...to look up various things named "Barlow". See my talk page and EncMstr's too. Thanks! Katr67 20:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Nice work. That sure must be an interesting book. I figured would just list names, but it seems like it has a whole lot more. Thanks for the swift response! — EncMstr 07:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks bunches! Oh, yeah...the railroad does still run through Barlow...I clean forgot where Barlow was. Is it WP:OR to change the year in the article to 2006? You pass through Barlow on Amtrak...

P.S. All the demographic info for the city and CDP articles was initially added by the Rambot. Look for the little ^GR2 in the first sentence. Some of the articles that have been messed with have had this removed. Katr67 14:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Boon's Treasury

FYI, is aka the Boon Brick Store in the List of Registered Historic Places in Oregon [2]. I think this might call for some original research. Let me know if I can help. Katr67 20:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silver Lake, Oregon

Does OGN have anything on Silver Lake? It's got cowboys, Irish sheepherders, protected marshes and Native American artifacts, but nothing particulary useful or citeable about these things on the 'net. Hence a really stubby stub. Anything you could add would help. Thanks, oh keeper of the magic book! Katr67 02:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shining (band)

I noticed your concern for the context in the article. I am personally not a fan of the band in question (and never made an edit in the article) but read most of the statements in the article when I read Swedish Metal-magazine called "Close-Up". Regarding the last statement about the singer I found the officiall homepage. I try to remove some long parts and cite a source for the statments claimed in the article. Look then at the article and tell me what you think. Best regards - Litany 22:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. My view of this band is that they are notable within the metal community and especially the black metal community.

Since I'm not personally a fan (to the band or to black metal in general) but still recognized them from a few good songs I heard (musically). Also alot of friends recognize both in Sweden and in Croatia (where I live now) I must consider them notable.

One part of their image is that they were not going to be exploited (as many underground bands claim), thats why there is lack of information and sources about them. They even diden't perform live until a few years ago.

The issue of the Close-Up Magazine is not clear since I only found out that the interview I read with was in the 51 episode, produced in March 2002.

I read the external links and as I noticed there was several statements from the official band members, so I sourced the statements. I also shortened the statement from there website and sourced it.

I think the 200 copies released for their album (I dont know which) is probably a early release. Although it is not uncommon for bands to release "rare" samples and CDs just to bring in money from frantic fans.

My opinion is that a band who relesed several full-length albums and toured within Europe must be considerd notable. Since black metal is not big in the meaning of the music buissness they are big within the metal community (and notable in the space of media for "scandal behavior" etc. Especially the black metal bands from Sweden and Norway. (I noticed that you are of Norwegian ancestry. =))

Tell me what you think. I will remove the template about notability for now, until further is decleared. Best regards Litany 19:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fencing portal

Nice work, looks good thanks. Any thoughts on a category "Wikipedians who fence" oe even "think the sword is mightier than the pen" <g>? Don't join categories but might do that one - regards --Nigel ^(Talk) 09:33, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha - as always someone is there before me - just didn't look - check out {{User fencer}}! regards --Nigel ^(Talk) 10:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Star Memorial Highway

And the Service flag per our recent discussion. Katr67 19:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Passing on this invite

Katr67 13:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to new WikiProject

Sorry to disturb, but am wishing to take a moment of your time for something I hope will be of interest. I'd like to invite you to join a new WikiProject I've started, WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. Should you feel so inclined, please feel free to join. And spread the word to any other interested parties. :) -Ebyabe 20:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kings Valley, Oregon

I wrote a stub for this, if you have anything to add regarding Fort Hoskins. Happy happy! Katr67 16:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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