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The spelling was not the "Dutch" spelling, it was picked from the French wikipedia. The idea is not to have "English" spelling either, it should be how it is spelled in Tunesia. GerardM 05:36, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)


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[edit] Name

The official english UN name is Republic of Tunisia, although "Tunisian Republic" is a literal translation of the arabic name. Ybgursey 23:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Anthem: Ala Khallidi

The Second Anthem Ala Khallidi was abondoned when the President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali took power in 1987. This marvellous anthem was simply discarded because it contains praise to the old president Habib Bourguiba. It may be obvious that one country should have one single anthem but it should not be obvious to consider Ala Khallidi as simply non existant (as it is the case now in Tunisian media). I wonder if somebody could get the lyrics or even the music on a file and provide it to the Wikipedia, just to remember the childhood years when just before the 8 PM news edition we heard that anthem, while surrounded by our loved family. It is simply a piece of memory and certainly a cherished part of us. ---0:348, 12 DEC 2004 (UTC)--- R. B. Incertus.

Ala khallidi lyrics

[edit] reasons why this article is below standards

I suspect one of the largest reasons this article is currently sub-standard is the low level of access and also government-restricted access to the Internet in tunisia. Freedom of speech is a bit of a problem there, and internet access is quite limited. Sorry I don't have the details at my fingertips. Sbwoodside 03:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of arms of Tunisia

Hi the Coat of arms that you are using is the old one (before 1963 I think). Please see the french article to have the good one. Kassus 09:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

This has been updated to refelct the current (monochromatic background) arms. 18 Oct 2006

[edit] Potential NPOV editing?

Sorry to barge in annonymously, but certain portions of this article don't really sound acceptably neutral for an encyclopedia. To whit;

"Most likely the Internet has only made public the pervasive structure of state control which has managed to shroud itself in a western friendly face, welcoming masses of tourists who can even enjoy topless beaches.

Tunisia is also noteworthy for the extensive male prostitution trade which focuses on the beaches westerns go for vacation. The government seems to treat male sex workers as non-criminals."

I know I might well get flamed for this, but this appears to be written by a non-English speaker and, in all certainty, a Tunisian. This seems blatantly NPOV, especially in the second quoted paragraph as it seems to suggest that male prostitutes are criminals by default. I'm too tired to edit to article, but could someone redress this balance please? Many regards, Keth (kethkinsey@googlemail.com)


Edit: Sorry, I meant a Tunisian critical to the current administration. Therefore, surely, NPOV? 172.188.140.52 02:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I second that. This article is packed full of NPOV Cornell010

[edit] Official Language and Demographics

1. Arabic is the only official language of Tunisia. French is used widely in trade and commerce. This has been corrected.

2. Whether of Arab, Bereber, or of mixed descent, the overwhelming majority of Tunisians consider themselves as ethnically and culturally Arab. In fact Tunisia was home to the Arab League Orginization for many years.

see my comment on the latter. Rather than deleting stuff, add, which is what I have done, rather than just reverting your edits. The identity is important, but the genetics is also interesting.

--Bouha 21:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

"In fact Tunisia was home to the Arab League Orginization for many years."

Membership to the Arab league is more a political status rather than a true reflection of one's culture and identity. Case in point, Egypt's membership was suspended between 79 and 89 for signing the peace treaty with Israel, does it mean Egypt was not an Arab country for a decade?

Bouha,

I totally agree with your last comment about the Arab League. I stand corrected.

When I first read the article about Tunisia, I found it to be extremely biased. The article was, and still is, deliberately ignoring the Arab identity of Tunisia. I know that we are living in times when it’s easy to jump on the bandwagon of Arab bashing, but it’s absurd as to how the article skews such obvious facts.

The overwhelming majority of Tunisians identify themselves simply as Arabs. No doubt, that Tunisians are also proud of their Berber and Carthaginian roots.

I think we should keep our biases aside when we contribute to this website.

Anyhow, the article is definitely below standard.

Best Regards.

Actually, the comment about the Arab League was from someone else who didn't sign in. I don't think the article denies Tunisia's Arabic identity: may be this could be more strongly stated. But this is a fact of identity (and language), rather than genetics. (Similarly, the English do not perceive themselves as Celtic, but most of the genes in England are from before the Anglo-Saxon conquest: ethnically they are Germanic, genetically mainly Celtic). And to prove I'm not anti-Arab, look at the Arab world article where I reverted edits which removed North Africa from the Arab world! --Bouha 05:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] History: Punic vs. Phoenician

I'm a bit confused by this passage. This article seems to suggest that Punic & Phoenician are synonymous, but my limited research labels them as distinct (including in the wiki entry on Punic). Would someone more knowledgeable than I be able to clarify/rework? I'll watch it and do it myself in a while if no one else jumps in. JGray 09:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History: The Zirids

The passage on the Zirids does not mesh with the information and dates in the wikipedia article on the Zirids. Anyone able to amend? JGray 10:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

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