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Contents 1 Arguing 2 The flavor of the word "take" 3 Ukrainian Dance 4 Hello 5 Rusyns 6 Notice of arbitration 7 Adding "liberation" to "Words to avoid" 8 RfC about Irpen's conduct 9 Mediation 10 Thanks for the templates 11 Allow me 12 Ukrainian translit and geo-names 13 Cities as raions? 14 Please cite sources 15 Allow me 16 Thanks 17 Polka 18 Upcoming Independence Day

[edit] Arguing

I would like to thank you for a civil discussion even though we disagree on certain issues. On the city name, may I suggest for you the long discussion I had with Michael a while ago. It all started from me moving "Dnipropetrovs'k" to "Dnipropetrovsk" and got to a much wider issue. See this and to the end of the page. After some time, Oleh Petriv added some comments in the middle of the discussion (you could see from time stamps) but basically we gave this issue a good once-over that ended up with the current state (it was almost just two of us in Ukrainian topics at the time, now the situation is better thanks god). One of the results of our discussion was the move of all Oblast center articles except Kiev and Odessa to their Ukrainian names. From that moment on I keep an eye on them. I hope you will find this reading worthy even though it is somewhat longish.

On Ukrainian-Canadian issue, what's your opinion on the Canadian Ukrainian article. Do you have anything to expand it with? Cheers, --Irpen 22:36, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The flavor of the word "take"

Hi! I a have a question to you as to a native English speaker. Does the word "take" assume any negative flavor in English when applied to war events like: "taking control over a certain territory", "taking positions", "take a city" etc. Why do you prefer "reclaim"?

P.S. It might be reasonable if you respond directly on the talk page Talk:Battle of the Lower Dnieper.--Mbuk 19:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ukrainian Dance

Привіт. Я зробив категорію commons:Category:Ukrainian dance. Зараз там мої власні фотографії з концерту ансамблю Вірського у Донецьку та з фестивалю етнічної музики у Карпатах. Можливо щось з того буде цікавим для використання у статтях про українські танці. Якісь фото з концерту не дуже добра, було недостатнє освітлення, але я подивився, що на офіційному сайті не набагато кращі фото. Також я розмістив там зображення марки й монети, що були випущені до 100-ліття Павла Вірського. Щасти. --Yakudza

[edit] Hello

Hi there! I only noticed the Ukrainian Dance category the other day, and was surprised that there was still so much happening on the subject. I'm just glad it's being represented. There's pretty much nothing for Ukrainian dance on the internet. I will definitely try to contribute as much as possible. Thanks for keeping it up! Mrrria 22:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rusyns

Привіт. Маю деякі коментарі щодо редагувань статті Rusyns, англійською сформулювати це складно, тому пишу тут. На мою думку чисельність русинів наведена тобою у статті з сайту [1] є певною мірою гіпотетичною. Ось що пише з цього приводу Пол Маґочі (англійською теж саме українською) - наведу деякі фрагменти з розділу The Problem of Nomenclature

It is important to keep in mind what is meant by the term Rusyn. Traditionally, the name Rusyn or its local variant Rusniak has been used by the East Slavic inhabitants of the Carpathian region to describe themselves. However, by the twentieth century, in particular its second half, the historic names Rusyn/Rusniak were replaced by others, such as Ukrainian in Soviet Transcarpathia and the Presov Region of Slovakia, or Lemko in Poland. ... In other words, some people will say that Rusyn is simply the older historic name for Ukrainian, and that Lemko is a regional name of Ukrainian, while others are convinced that the names Lemko or Rusniak are regional forms for Rusyn which, in turn, designates a people that is distinct from the Ukrainian and every other surrounding nationality. It should be noted that the estimated figure of 1.2 million Rusyns given above refers to all people of the same linguistic and ethnographic origin, regardless of how they designated themselves in documents such as internal identity papers, passports, or decennial censuses. Our concern here will be primarily with the present-day Rusyn movement or with that portion cf the group (the precise numbers are unknown) that considers Rusyns to comprise a distinct people.

Зрозуміло, і Пол Маґочі у наведеному фрагменті це також визнає, що у наш час русинами себе називають дуже невелика кількість з названих 1.2 мільйонів людей. Це в першу чергу русини Воєводини і Словаччини і деяка кількість закарпатців. Як свідчить останній перепис це 10 тис. мешканців Закарпатської області. Поза Закарпаттям в Україні русинський рух абсолютно відсутній. Таким чином, на мою думку варто навести в таблиці офіційні дані переписів (українські, словацькі, сербські та хорватські), як це зроблено в таблицях інших народів (дивись наприклад Ukrainians), а не приблизну і дуже умовну цифру з сайту www.carpatho-rusyn.org --Yakudza 21:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note Yakudza, and forgive me but I can only write in cyrillic fonts on my laptop, which currently is acting up, so I'll repond in english:
I am no apostle of Magocsi, and very rarely if ever agree with him. I do however, know plenty of people that identify as Rusyn, Rusnak, Lemko, Hutsul, etc. and not with any current nation-state, and can only empathize with having one's language mocked and one's history marginalized. I frankly felt wary that my own edit inserted too many references to Ukraine. In general, I would like for this article to be as balanced as I hope others would treat articles relating to Ukraine, which in general gets short shrift on WP.
As for disputing the numbers stated: please go ahead and include as many facts as possible. I only grabbed that particular population total because an amount was unnecessarily absent from the infobox, and I googled to find a place-holder.--tufkaa 22:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notice of arbitration

An arbitration request involving you has been filed.--AndriyK 19:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC) Please add your statement. Your participation would be very helpfull. Regards,--AndriyK 20:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on it, Andriyu!--tufkaa 21:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adding "liberation" to "Words to avoid"

I filled the proposal for Words to avoid. Please find it here. I would be thankfull for your commennts, suggestions and corrections.--AndriyK 15:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC about Irpen's conduct

Hi! We filled a request for comment concerning the conduct of User:Irpen. Your comment is kindly invited.--AndriyK 16:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Battle of the Lower Dnieper/Lviv]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

[edit] Thanks for the templates

Hi Tufkaa, I wanted to say thank you to you for the Oblast templates that you have been changing. They look much better than the old ones we had for Ukrainian articles! mno 21:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! All part of the larger effort.--tufkaa 21:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

What larger effort? I've been out of the loop for a while. --mno 18:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

The larger effort of educating people about Ukraine, of course! Hopefully all of the templates will be done by the beginning of next week , and I will post thoughts about how the project can continue at Talk:Subdivision of Ukraine.--tufkaa 19:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Allow me

For contributing so many Ukrainian related articles to wikipedia, and particularly, to standardization of Ukrainian locations articles, cities, villages, oblasts, creating excellent templates article and tireless work to improve the Ukrainian coverage on Wikipedia, good natured discussions in case of disagreements, etc., I hereby award you this National Merit Barnstar which I asked minted with a raspberry ribbon, a historic color of the Ukrainian Cossacks, yours and mine ancestors and, in many ways, founders of the modern Ukrainian nation! Keep up the good work! --Irpen 05:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ukrainian translit and geo-names

Hi, Tufkaa! Thanks for contacting me. I was under impression that currently there are no users interested in further developing the infrastructure of the Ukrainian geo-articles. It's good to know I was wrong.

Seeing little interest in maintaining consistency of naming of Ukrainian localities and administrative divisions from others, I was making corrections according to WP:CYR, which is a proposed policy for transliterating languages using Cyrillic script. My line of reasoning was that even though WP:CYR is not yet adopted, it makes little difference which transliteration system to use if nobody else cares anyway. I should also note that current names of Ukrainian locations are often transliterated inconsistently ({{Kirovohrad Oblast}} template was a good example of that), which was another reason for my edits.

Now that I know that some of my assumptions were incorrect (you, obviously, are interested in the topic), I have no problem stopping further "housekeeping" edits. I got involved with Ukrainian locations only because I wanted to complete the series of disambiguation pages for Russian localities sharing the same name. Adding Ukrainian (and, later, Belarusian and possibly other Slavic) settlements to the project was trivial. I generally have no further interest in Ukrainian or other Slavic administrative divisions—I have my hands full with just the Russian ones!

I would, however, appreciate your advise regarding which transliteration system I should preferrably use in future in regards to Ukrainian geo-names. I am sorry if my edits disrupted anything—while I know the Russian administrative structure in and out, I am not so knowledgeable about the modern Ukrainian one, so I pretty much acted on analogies and instincts. Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cities as raions?

Hi there. I dropped in to tell you that I find your numerous edits like these [2], [3] confusing and little bit misplaced. You're going the right direction, but please don't omit a context. This info matches the Subdivisions of Ukraine, Raion and townlet much better. Just in case, I'm a graduated political analyst so you're probably the one to be mistaken among two of us (sorry for telling that). So I'm deleting your edits where I see it. Let me know if you wish to develop the topic right. But not on each city page anyway :( AlexPU 18:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I just reverted you on Zhytomyr. Let's discuss. What is your take on designating cities as their own separate raion within the oblast. Confusion or inaccuracy? Right now, all cities of that nature are using that text, so let's discuss.--tufkaa 18:34, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. Please don't revert me in those cases :(, at least for some time. Cause you're adding typical info in many articles. In likely case if you loose the dispute, somebody's going to change all that :(.

I'm more than ready to discuss. My first and hardly insisted suggestion is not to put your info on every each city page. "all cities of that nature are using that text"? Bad for us anyway. Cause roughly every city of Ukraine is of "that nature" :(. As you can see above, I suggest to describe the issue on the topical pages, and make links to them in the "See also" section of every city.

"Confusion or inaccuracy?" - rather inaccuracy and unencyclopedic approach. As I told, you're moving the right direction: there's a serious problem of power division between oblasts/raions and respective oblast/raion centers in Ukraine. You didn't invent anything false or irrelevant. Let's describe it at Subdivisions of Ukraine (BTW it's going to be a hard task). But should we bother our readers with such in-depth analysis on every city page?AlexPU

Good idea to move this to Talk:Subdivisions of Ukraine. My preference would be to have міста областного значення mentioned in the english equivalent in each article on міста областного значення.--tufkaa 19:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

See my reply there.AlexPU 08:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please cite sources

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Stanley Williams (ballet), but we regretfully cannot accept original research. Please find and add a reliable citation to your recent edit so we can verify your work. Uncited information may be removed at any time. Thanks for your efforts, and happy editing! Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Who are you and what are you talking about?--tufkaa 20:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Allow me

Thank you!!!!!!--tufkaa 17:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the "Exceptional Newcomer" award. A bit late in coming, but I thanked you originally on my page...

Good deeds inspire good deeds. I've now made it my policy to award people I see doing good work, especially those for whom recognition is long overdue.

Congratulations on your impressive awards collection. You certainly deserve it! --Editor at Large 17:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I just recently noticed the thanks on your page. Hope everything went well with your time off.--tufkaa 17:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You too. Those who look to Wikipedia for all information Ukrainian must be glad you're backI I don't know about you, but I enjoyed/hated my break. It was nice not having to "work" every day, but it was horrible worrying about who might be mutilating my pages while I was gone! --Editor at Large 22:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polka

I appreciate your policing the linkspam that's been added to this article lately, but in one of your reversions you reinstated three paragraphs that I'd properly removed. They exist to gush over specific organizations and are most decidedly POV material. They don't belong in the article. Please leave them out. VoiceOfReason 19:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't realize. I must have lost track from all of the spammer's tricky edits. Sorry about that.--tufkaa 20:06, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming Independence Day

--Riurik 04:27, 23 August 2006 (UTC)