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Contents 1 M1126A Fryker 2 vandalism 3 you'll probably notice the problem before you see this but... 4 Stubsensor 5 Stubsensor 6 Suppressor updates 7 Isolation tank 8 Stubsensor 9 Stubsensor 10 More stubsensor stuff 11 They're still out there 12 WikiBook: Demystifying Depression 13 Would you link to be an admin? 14 Double redirects 15 Wikipedia:Most wanted stubs 16 False positives II 17 Help with Stubsensor 18 More help with Stubsensor 19 My nomination for adminship 20 Help 21 Fancy refreshing untagged images? 22 Bayesianising stubsensor 23 Quick question

[edit] M1126A Fryker

For details on the dispute regarding this article see User talk:Triddle/M1126A Fryker

You should place the page on uncyclopedia.org, where it can live forever. Ihavenolife

[edit] vandalism

Please leave your comments here regarding my vandalism solution.

See m:Foundation issues. Soundguy99 04:26, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Besides all those policy questions, it's very difficult for person outside US to pay for something in the Internet. Like a hundredth of a procent of Russians I have a classic credit card. And what? I can't even donate - PayPal does not want to accept cards from Russia. So, it's a useless piece of plastic. Varnav 03:18, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] you'll probably notice the problem before you see this but...

You forgot to sign your comment at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Undercarriage. Circeus 00:36, May 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stubsensor

Hi, Triddle!

Could you please adjust the stubsensor in such a way as not to include articles on Russian federal subjects (so far only Vladimir and Saratov Oblasts have been affected; I reverted them both)? I can very well see how the sensor would assume these are not stubs, but, as a matter of fact (and unfortunately), they are just stubs. There is not nearly enough information there to justify calling them articles. Here is an example of what such an article would need to achive to classify as non-stubby: Kalmykia. Let me know if you have questions. Thanks, and keep up the good work—I hope you are getting more hits than misses!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 17:50, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

I think that {{expand}} would be the most perfect solution. I really can't accept an article such as Saratov Oblast as a non-stub, even though the Perfect stub article guideline begs to differ. {{Expand}} seems to cover this gray area very well. Thanks for your comments.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 18:17, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

The ironic thing, of course, is that I will probably be the one expanding those articles, when their turn is up in the Russian federal subjects WikiProject (status). Oh, well, let's hope for the best. Maybe the expand tag will bring some additional attention those articles are in such desperate need of...—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 18:33, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

I fully agree with Ezhiki in that if an article is, strictly speaking, more than just a stub, but so incomplete on the subject, that the reader needs to know it right away, then removing the template will do more bad than good. In such article the reader needs to be warned PROMINENTLY not to rely on the article if he looks for info on the subject and go elsewhere (perhaps to Britannica or the library) if he wants to get any clue on the topic.

There is an appealing suggestion at User:Triddle/stubsensor page:

If the article is still not satisfactory to you perhaps {{Template:expand}} is more suited?

However, there is one problem. Current instructions for the {{template:expansion}} say :

This category is for articles that are beyond a stub, but still need to be expanded with additional information or details. These articles should be marked with {{expansion}} at the top of their talk pages.

The problem is that more often than not the reader won't bother to check the talk page. I placed the {{expansion}} once on the article page itself because the article seemed very inadequate to me while going beyond the stub. Someone moved this template to the talk page. I reverted, but strictly speaking that someone is correct and I am not. We need either to change the rule of the expansion template or create another template to be placed on the main pages. Would appreciate any ideas. Irpen 00:46, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

It seems the best thing to do is to keep calling it a stub until another tactic can be found. That will still let us do a majority of the job and not disrupt other's work. I have updated the guidelines to that effect as well. Thanks for letting me know there was a problem.Triddle 01:20, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't really have any ideas regarding what the best way to handle this is, so I crossposted Irpen's comments to the Category talk:Articles to be expanded page (I hope it's OK with Irpen; if not, please feel free to remove your comments from there). Perhaps this will help, as, obviously, more people are watching that category than this talk page.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 14:48, May 3, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Triddle: Whilst I think that stubsensor is a great concept, it will diminish Wikipedia if the users do not flag articles as incomplete. In my opinion, it is very rare that an article flagged as a stub is complete: most need expansion or cleanup. Perhaps you could emphasise the need to replace the stub template with something more appropriate, rather than simply removing it in most cases. --Theo (Talk) 09:30, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi Theo: I've tried to do just that; I added in instructions about Template:wikify and Template:cleanup but other than that (and Template:expand, which was already on the instructions page) I don't know what else to do. There is a huge grey area inbetween Wikipedia:Perfect stub article and most of what we touch here. But I also read on a Template:expand instruction page that most articles need expansion on Wikipedia and Template:Expand really should not be on most articles. Do you have any ideas for how this can be done better? Thanks for the feedback! Triddle 17:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Triddle on this. I don't think the stub template was meant to be used like the expand template is. I think it was meant to denote short articles and that's it. I wish I had a solution for this. I do think that, just like anything else on Wikipedia, it's got to be taken on a case by case basis. There are plenty of tags that can be used. We have expand and wikify and cleanup and a bunch of others. I say, use them and don't use stub. In fact, if it was up to me, we'd ditch stub altogether. I'm not sure what the point of it is since yes, most articles on here need expanding.

And thanks for the thanks on my talk page, Triddle. Just here to help. Got my broom handy. :-) --Woohookitty 02:44, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, most articles need expanding. Every article in WP could be made to inform on the subject better than its current version. However, information that is just less than complete is one thing. The article that would not just underinform but also would mislead due to its incompleteness is something else and such article require to be tagged in one way ore the other. Very often the article would be misleading not because it is POV but because lots of things were simply not written yet. If such article is more than a stub, the expansion template on top seems a good way to tag it. Irpen 22:08, May 4, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stubsensor

Can you inform me how to use your stubsensor? I'm not really knowledgeable on Perl or Programming in general - so any help would be much appreciated! Thanks. --Randy 11:10, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Suppressor updates

I elaborted the suppressor page, and I think I straigtened out the apparent contradiction. Take and look and see if it looks better. scot 19:34, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Isolation tank

Interesting thing, your stubsensor. Good idea. Anyway, there should be something intermediate between stub and full-fledged article, so to indicate to people "please extend this". Probably that's just what the extend-template says.

I will be more cautious about where to put the stub alert. Ben talk contr 04:20, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

I read it, now it became clearer, Triddle, thanks a lot. Ben talk contr 04:55, May 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stubsensor

Has twice taken the stub tag off Linux Tablet, an extremely long article with little more than headings in it. Its a stub....

Any chance the code can be mangled to check how much of an article isn't in == == statements? --Kiand 08:52, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Very kind. Lush award. Very proud. Like to thank my mother and father, Vint Cerf, &c &c. --Tagishsimon (talk)

BTW, could yo hack your Edit link so that it autofills the Edit Summary box with suitble Stubsensor propganda? --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] Stubsensor

Are you the anon who deleted this section? If so, please make sure you're logged on, so you don't keep me guessing :) Mgm|^(talk) 18:25, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] More stubsensor stuff

Noticed that your stubsensor project wound up "un-stub-tagging" the article Ampeg. which is on my watch list as an article I'll get around to adding to one of these days. No real objection to the loss of the stub tag, since the article has grown, but it would be nice if the human editors untagging would make sure that articles larger than stubs but not yet near complete would get another tag (like "expand") that would still keep the article listed so it gets more attention. Also, I would really strongly recommend that your section about "How to object to the actions of the stubsensor project" and the edit summaries not be titled "Conflict resolution." That name has a long-standing history for the variety of official ways that article problems or issues with problem editors can be resolved, like Wikipedia:Requests for comment, Wikipedia:Mediation and Wikipedia:Requests for Arbitration. My first interpretation when I saw the edit summary that had a link to "conflict resolution" was that you were being extremely arrogant and suggesting that if someone didn't like your edits you weren't going to listen to reason, but were instead inviting editors to take it up with the officials. Not the case, of course, but changing the name would help prevent any possible misinterpretation. Thanks for listening, Soundguy99 04:21, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] They're still out there

Stubs, I mean. We need you Tridders, old chap. Run that 154KVA Stubsensor just one more time, huh? thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] WikiBook: Demystifying Depression

Hi triddle, I have discovered your work on the Demystifying Depression WikiBook and just want to say a really big THANK YOU. I have only done a quick scan through most of it so far, but it looks like an outstanding piece of work, both for helping sufferers and for informing and de-mystifying the subject for others.

In particular, Demystifying_Depression:The_Buildup_to_a_Depression explains precisely what happened to me over the last 6 months in a way that I have been trying to understand, and failing to explain adequately to friends, family and employer. They will all be receiving a link to your excellent work.

Thanks again, and I really LOVE the scarecrow =:-)

--81.77.41.241 08:37, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Would you link to be an admin?

With all your good work would you like me to nominate you on RfA? Susvolans (pigs can fly) 16:34, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your consideration but I have given it careful consideration and decided I already spend enough time here doing other chores. Perhaps in the future I'll consider an adminship. Triddle 19:46, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Double redirects

Moved to User talk:Triddle/double redirect#Double redirects

Triddle, I'm running into LOTS of false positives on the double redirects. It's about half of the ones I've run into. What should we do about it? Just ignore them or should we note them somewhere? --Woohookitty 04:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yup, I think you need to rethink. Most of what I've seen are links to plain single redirect pages - e.g. look at this: [1] - you are marking four innocuous redirect pages, and failing to mark all the pages under Chibi-Usa (redirect page) which are in fact the double redirects. Suggest you remove the project from the active fixup template until you've reconsidered it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

I don't quite follow, perhaps you can explain where I'm going wrong? I checked 20 examples from one of the reports and in all cases each of the false positives had really just been fixed by someone else in between the time the last dump was taken (over a month) and now. I also don't see the problem with Chibi-Usa. Maybe you can show me the double redirect chain you are referring to? Triddle 18:06, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Most wanted stubs

I think you may be good with this kind of stuff, so I was wondering if you could find the time to update Wikipedia:Most wanted stubs. It would be a good resource for what should be our priorities. Thanks for your help. --Dmcdevit 22:01, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wow, thanks a lot. This is much better than what we had before, but if you're still interested, I have some suggestions. I notice that some special characters don't show up right. For example, Añasco, Puerto Rico is rendered as AÒasco,_Puerto_Rico. Also, There seem to be a lot that have inflated total because of navigational templates linked to many pages. I don't even know if it's possible to do anyting about it, but {{Puerto_Rico}}, for example, seems to be the only reason all those Puerto Rico cities show up. Is there some way to exlude links from templates? (if you could make it only article space that would work) Thanks. --Dmcdevit 20:24, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Triddle, you're awesome for updating the list, even though I hardly ever get a chance to look at it these days. Good work. Elf | Talk 04:18, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello Triddle, the trouble with the red links is already fixed in the main list as well as yours. It was due to misspellings of non English characters by the database dump. Perhaps the software could be fixed so that the list replaces the wrong non English characters for the right ones? It would be nice. Vale, Lcgarcia 30 June 2005 18:52 (UTC)

[edit] False positives II

On the stubsensor page, I removed a ton of false positives. Someone (not sure who) had listed a whole slew that were definitely not stubs. One was 7 paragraphs long. So that's why the list went from 30 to less than 10. Just so you know. --Woohookitty 28 June 2005 04:03 (UTC)

[edit] Help with Stubsensor

Hi Triddle. I know this is kind of a newbie question, but…. Is an article like this, which contains a lot of statistics but little prose, considered a stub? — Bcat

[edit] More help with Stubsensor

Am I doing something wrong? It seems like there are a lot of false positives. For example, all the stubs in Category:British Columbia provincial electoral districts. — Bcat (talk | email) 28 June 2005 19:20 (UTC)

[edit] My nomination for adminship

Please vote for me. :) I feel like a candidate. :) The vote is at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Woohookitty. --Woohookitty 29 June 2005 03:39 (UTC)

[edit] Help

Moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject_help_desk

Are you a bot-maker, by any chance? You seem to be skilled at computer-science things. Because of the software upate, the bot that I've been using to transwiki dictionary definitions to Wiktionary has broken. It may need to be rewritten from scratch (I didn't write the original, and have no idea how). Now the backlog is growing again. Interested at all? --Dmcdevit 2 July 2005 00:18 (UTC)

[edit] Fancy refreshing untagged images?

Wikipedia:Untagged images is almost done, but its last run was in February sometime; so I guess we'll have gathered a few thousand more untagged images. I'm not sure who did the last SQL for this & don't think it was published. Would you fancy taking over the task of generating the lists ... from first principles? I guess we're looking for all images without tags listed here. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I may have gone off half-cocked - Redworlf is talking [2] about doing the report. Though for my money, I'd be happy if you did, since Redwolf is not saying magic things like "tomorrow". But I should give you the option of declining rather than keep you in ignorance of RW's offer. I think a stubsensor layout would be preferable, yes. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)

Meanwhile it occurs to me that a list of articles without categories would be handy. If huge. --Tagishsimon (talk)

[edit] Bayesianising stubsensor

I wouldn't mind helping out with this, but I'm off to Europe on Thursday for 2 weeks, so it will have to wait. If you don't know it already, Paul Graham's A plan for spam article gives a good overview of how Bayesian categorisation works: stub sorting should be a much easier problem than spam detection. Also read the docs for the categorizer module: I've never used the module itself, but there are quite a few users for it and I've heard positive things about it. --- Charles Stewart 5 July 2005 22:01 (UTC)

[edit] Quick question

Background info: there have been many VfD's that ended with a "transwiki" decision. Those articles that should now be deleted after they've been transwikied, but usually the transwikiers aren't the same as the admins, so after being transwikied, they are promptly forgotten (and not deleted). So, <technical help> I'm wondering if it would be possible to write something that would look at all the entries at WP:TL and put a link at the end of the line to a VfD page if one exists for that article. So for example the first entry would become:

• Letter writing → Wikibooks:Transwiki:Letter writing --Woohookitty 05:44, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) (Deleted) (VfD)

Do you think this could be done? This is just a one-time thing to help clean out that log. </technical help> Of course this is not urgent, especially since it seems like you're probably busy. Thanks. --Dmcdevit July 9, 2005 02:06 (UTC)