Talk:Trinity Christian Academy (Addison, Texas)

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[edit] References

This article needs some references for the pricing information it quotes. --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 17:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Bartnett case

i recently added back info about the gay student that was outed to his parents and expelled by the school, but another used reverted it. whats up with that?!Qrc2006 02:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] innaproproate links

Houston Voice article this link to an article in the houston voice about the expelled gay student is wholley appropriate and validated for inclusion. if you have a problem with it please bring it up here and tell my why before removing it again if you feel that is the path you want to go down. i did not recreate the link to my-boi since the site is down for the time being. Qrc2006 01:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I again removed the link to the article about Barnett. It belongs in his article, not this one. The link to his article is appropriate and I have no problem with it and feel that it's a good compromise. --ElKevbo 01:36, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagere, on an article for san francisco it might mention gavin newsome and gay marriage, i dont think its unreasonable to include a gavin newsome related link. plus the school expelled him, the article is as much about the school, a homphobic school that expelled a gay student, the school expelled him. i dont think its an acceptable compromise.Qrc2006 10:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I object on the grounds that you are both inserting your POV into the article and giving undue weight to this event. The links you insist on adding should be used as references and not placed in the "External link(s)" section. --ElKevbo 10:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] semiprotection

ive gone over the pages history and James Barnett has been removed 3 times now over the history, by anonomous users each time, most recently today, i suggest we ask for semiprotection for the time being to avoid information being removed again.Qrc2006 10:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome to request semi-protection but I seriously doubt the volume of "vandalism" isn't high enough to warrant it. I also believe this is more of a content dispute and thus inappropriate for and impossible to resolve by semi-protection. --ElKevbo 10:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this really all there is?

The article is really short and lacking in material if you discount the large quote at the start and the item about the gay lad who was expelled. It looks like the only reasons for notability are because:

  1. It is a high school, therefore notable because it is a high school
  2. It hit the news because this kid was kicked out.

Aren't there any content experts here who can flesh this out? I know it says "Stub", but it could surely be expanded quickly? Fiddle Faddle 11:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

    • i went on the school website and looked up a bunch of information updated the scool stats added the fax number, changed founding date, student population, added some body to the school section etc.Qrc2006 14:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Amazing what can be done simply. I've sorted the various references out to make it read easier. Fiddle Faddle 14:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Thanks, and you're right literally just skimmed the schools webpage and copied and pasted the facts and just added The schools studnet body is... It was founded in... and now there a lot more meat to it, thanks for cleaning ;-) Cholga 17:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of OR

While I think it would be difficult to find a reference to something "not existing" I don't see that the sentence "Texas has no laws protecting gay people or even straight people from discrimination based on sexual orientation." has a place in this article, and agree with its removal. It is not an attribute of the school, and therefore, while doubtless valid as a statement, does not fit here.

It would be very much more in context in the article about the expelled student. Fiddle Faddle 17:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's important to include. A reliable list of states with outlaw such discrimination (with Texas not included) would be a good enough source. If we don't say anything, people might assume it was illegal, and making people think the school broke the law (even unintentionally) isn't a good idea - I don't think you can commit liable by ommision, but it's still not a good idea. --Tango 17:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Potentially it would be worth reaching a consensus on it, especially since this is a high profile element of the article. I'm certainly not going to revert if it goes back in, but I do think a consensus would be worth reaching first. For what it is worth I would like to register a Weak oppose to its reinclusion with or without sources.Fiddle Faddle 17:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
If it's truly noteable then one should be able to find a reference for it. In this particular case, I'm sure there are some gay rights groups that have noted this fact (if it's true). I would also imagine there would be some reference to it given the Supreme Court case from a few years ago that, IIRC, struck down some or all of the Texas laws dealing with sodomy. In general, though, your point that "you can't prove a negative" is a well recognized principle and one that I imagine causes problems in Wikipedia.
I also note that there is an article about the expelled student but it's currently nominated for deletion. The last time I looked at the CFD it appeared that deletion was certain. If the article is indeed deleted then my stance on what should or should not be included in this article may change. --ElKevbo 17:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] links

anybody thing any of these links are relevant?

to add to the article Qrc2006 09:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

They may be useful as references but I don't think they belong as "External links." --ElKevbo 09:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I think it is possible to overlink a sub-element of an article. There is already one link as a <ref> against the expulsion incident. I think selecting a maximum of two more, as references in the same manner would be acceptable, though really suggest one. My feeling is that, should the article on the student survive, which it ought to, but is unlikely to, the links are more appropriate to the person than the academy. Fiddle Faddle 09:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

If they are links to blogs or special interest advocacy sites, they aren't secondary sources and therefore not eligible for external links. Most of those are. Exceptions are the Houston Voice article. There may be others. Also most of those links are dupes of each other.⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 19:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gay Student Expelled

The information included concerning James Barnett is not entirely correct. It might be a good idea to contact the school for the accurate information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.90.14.145 (talk • contribs) 11:28, November 29, 2006.

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. --ElKevbo 16:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
However, please keep in mind that information should be verifiable with reliable sources that isn't original research. Contacting the school might constitute original research. However, if the school can point us to any sources to use that would be ok. Are there any specific details that you think are inaccurate here? JoshuaZ 16:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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