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By the time Romulus Augustulus, last Roman Emperor in the West, was deposed by the Ostrogoths, the Vandals had conquered the province of Africa -- not Egypt, though -- Visigoths had by this time conquered the Iberian peninsula and the southern half of Gaul. The entire northern half of Roman Gaul, from Tours north, remained under Roman Administration for ten years after the deposure of Augustulus, until 486. After this, perhaps another ten years or more, approaching the start of the sixth century, deep within Germany actually only just east of what is now Luxumborg(1), the Roman people of Trier still remained autonomous. --T. Mc. 22:42, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This was my original contribution which was deleted. Please, why can't I add this somewhere in the article? Isn't this a point of the wikipedia as it presents itself? I mean, maybe there is some technical problem with the wikipedia insertion itself, or a matching of the style suggestion, but the content is not "nonsense." Ok?
(1) Location is from Encyclopaedia Brittanica, but has been replaced in this article by a map of the location by another contributor to satisfy my request that my whole contribution not be just ignored in such an open forum as wikipedia with the comment "nonsense" under the hisotry of the deletion! I don't think I wrote "nonsense."
--T. Mc. 04:26, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Conquest of Trier in 5th ct
T.Mc., what you`ve written here is not true. The Conquest of Trier by germanic tribes was a process. It started when the imperial residence was transferred to Mediolanum/Milano in Italy in 395. In 400, the gaul prefecture/administration was transferred to Arles. The romans left Trier without protection. In 411/412, Trier was captured the first time, 427/28 the third time (no date of second conquest) by Franconians Around 458, Trier was conquered again. In 470 the roman count (lat: comes) of Trier had the name Arbogast, which is not a roman, but a franconian name. In 475, Trier and the region was definitely in posession of Franconians. Regards, EM
[edit] Trier remaining autonomous?
Tom, you wrote: "The entire northern half of Roman Gaul, from Tours north, remained under Roman Administration for ten years after the deposure of Augustulus, until 486. After this, perhaps another ten years or more, approaching the start of the sixth century, deep within Germany actually only just east of what is now Luxumborg(1), the Roman people of Trier still remained autonomous". Well, there was the Duchy of Syagrius until 486. But your conclusion is wrong, because your detail information is wrong. Your cardinal error is to believe, Trier was part of Syagrius roman Duchy. In fact, Trier was never part of this last roman remain in middle europe. Syagrius territorry lied mostly on today french territory (concentrated around the regions Ile de France and Normandie). The eastern border of Syagrius territory ended roundabout at the valley of the river Maas(or Meuse in french), east of Reims and the Somme River in the north, all this is miles west from Trier. During the time Syagrius was defeated by the frankish king Clovis, Trier already belonged to the frankish kingdom, called Francia in latin speaking sources, it did no longer belong to Gallia. There are dozens of good maps and books about it. By the way: There are some historians saying that the Syagrius Duchy is only a myth of later centuries, celebrating the last noble Mohican of Rome. But this is only theory. So, I don`t know why you insist on your error. You can`t rewrite history without having reliable sources. Emettlach 09:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
