Talk:Traudl Junge

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I like the quote very much and the external links are interesting but I request that normal layout guidelines are followed: quote should be moved to the bottom and external links have to be described, though my descriptions were probably too wordy. Thanks Andries 18:33, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Go for it then! A curate's egg 18:43, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Actor or actress 2 Downfall instead of der Untergang? 3 Der Untergang 4 Category female Nazis 5 Traudl Junge's realization of her "role" in the Nazi Holocaust

[edit] Actor or actress

Wyss why do you think Maria Lara is an actor and not an actress - an actress is a female actor! The curate's egg 14:49, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Modern English usage avoids gendered job titles wherever possible. This has been going on for thirty years. Wyss 15:14, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

As a native English speaker I find such uses affected and PC and I certainly never refer to a female actor as anything but an actress - but heigh - it's only a photo of someone other than the article's subject! :) The curate's egg 09:56, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Do you like poetess? How 'bout aviatrix? Ok, I sorta like that one. :) Wyss 10:20, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Silly person! The curate's egg 07:24, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Actor is the appropriate term but it's not worth wasting time on. I'd rather not see the term actress in the caption but won't revert it if one of you puts it back in. Wyss 07:55, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Downfall instead of der Untergang?

Why is the U.S title of the movie Der Untergang repeatedly used in this article?

Not only is the movie uniformly named der Untergang throughout the Nazi Germany history period series of articles, it is also a title in the language of origin.

I think someone must have changed it? Thanks for pointing it out, I've restored the German title. Wyss 12:03, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Der Untergang

I saw the movie Der Untergang and was really moved by the angle the movie took. Up until recently it was rarely shown how the German people had suffered directly under Nazi leadership. Movies like Shindler’s List and The Pianist greatly portrayed the suffering of the Jews.

It is about time that the Russians and Germans get some recognition for the senseless blood that they have spilled for evil ideologies and self-indulging leaders.

Another important scene in the movie is also where the post-Hitler government attempts to surrender to the Russians. They referred in their surrender statement to something like “The real war on the Eastern front.” From a western perspective, very little credit had been given to the savage battles on the Eastern front.

Is there not more information on why Traudl only got the recognition so late in her life? Did she refuse to speak out, was she afraid?

She only spoke out late in her life, I think. Andries 10:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category female Nazis

I read in a book that she was not a member of the Nazi party, though I forgot where. I will remove the category female Nazis, because there is no support in the article for the statement that she was a member of the party. I changed to description of the category:Female Nazis to women who were part of the Nazi party, excluding women who were (loosely) affiliated with the Nazi regime without being a member of the Nazi party. Andries 10:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

• I agree. chowells 13:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Traudl Junge's realization of her "role" in the Nazi Holocaust

Until a couple of days ago I didn't have the film on DVD. However after reading Traudl Junge's comments posted on this article (the second one involving her realization of the fact she could have known about the Holocaust) I had to get a copy of the movie so I could confirm what to me is a puzzling contradiction. Like I wrote in my latest edit, she claims she and Sophie Scholl were born on the same year. This is absurd, because Scholl was born in May 1921 whereas Traudl was born in March 1920. This means Junge was aproximately 400 days older than the resistence fighter. I have no idea what led her say this, but I think readers should know what's going on. David Irving apparently also noticed this inaccuracy, however I don't trust him 100%. This is because his own "translation" of the dialog implies Traudl claimed Sophie died on the day Hitler hired her. This is not what the subtitles show, not what I make of the German dialog. I don't know when Traudl started working for Hitler but since she was interviewed in November 1942 I assume it might have been 1943, which then fits Junge's description. Perhaps we could nitpick and say maybe she was hired in late November, December 1942 and not 1943, but that's probably unecessary. If anyone knows anything about this, please let me know or make whatever necessary arrangements this article needs. Ishikawa Minoru 15:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)