Talk:Trans-Alaska Pipeline System
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Well, I just got back from Alaska a few days ago, and I learned quite a bit of things about the pipeline, so I thought I'd share the wealth! --Ixfd64 00:48, 2004 Aug 13 (UTC)
- I don't want to pee in anyones cereal, but is the following sentence really necessary? --Chairboy 18:01, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Although the pipeline is actually about 799 miles long, it is usually referred to as 800 miles long.
- It reminds me of this excerpt from bash.org: http://www.bash.org/?2999
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- Yes, it is necessary. Even people who work for APSC usually refer to the pipeline as 800 miles long. The fact that it is only 799 comes as a surprise to most of them, and to other Alaskans who've been told numerous times that it's 800 miles long. Even during a chat with an Alyeska public affairs employee while on contract with APSC I was told it was 800 miles long. Encyclopedias should note these sorts of odd discrepancies between popular belief and reality. — Jéioosh 08:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- That's not really a discrepancy, though, is it? It's just a rounding-off. -- Nik42 29 June 2005 04:21 (UTC)
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- Except that people actually think it's exactly 800 miles long. I've heard claims like "they built a couple extra miles and moved PS1 further north to get it that way". Total BS of course, but encyclopedias are around to clarify such things. — Jéioosh 29 June 2005 19:37 (UTC)
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The straight line mileage from Pump Station #1 at Prudhoe Bay to the Valdez terminal is 798 miles. But the pipe is not a straight line. It does a considerable amount of zig-zagging between fixed points in the above ground sections to allow for lateral expansion caused by the warm (roughly 140 degree F) oil inside. The zig-zagging accounts for most of the extra 2 miles. Flying Crow, 5/22/06
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I don't think the Exxon Valdez should be mentioned as a Trans-Alaska Pipeline spill. Its accident occured away from the pipeline. --Kitch 11:24, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
I don't think it should be either. I've noticed a tendency for anything related to oil in Alaska to have a link to the Exxon Valdez disaster, and for no good reason. Just because it's famous doesn't mean that it needs to be linked to everything peripherally related to it. Also, people seem to want to blame the pipeline for the Exxon Valdez, which is unfair. The Exxon Valdez was well outside of APSC's sphere of influence: it had left the terminal and piloted out of the Valdez Arm. Bligh Reef is on the opposite side of Bligh Island from Tatitlek, and the Valdez Arm is generally considered to end around Rocky Point which is well north of Bligh Island. I don't think that APSC pilots tankers even as far as Rocky Point, actually. And it's not APSC's job to make sure that tanker captains aren't drunk, it's the US Coast Guard's. — Jéioosh 08:12, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The tanker shipping in Alaskan waters is technically part of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System, managed by Alyeska Pipeline Service Company. The Exxon Valdez spill happened on their watch, as they readily admit, and they report the spill as part of the total oil spilled on TAPS since 1977. Flying Crow, 5/22/06
[edit] Canadian portion?
From somewhere in BC:
My concern with this page, is that it only shows PART of what many people concider to be the Alaska Pipeline. Namely, the people in NorthWestren Canada. [1]
But, again, it is the Alaska highway pipeline I'm thinking of... (As the link suggests)
- There is no pipeline which runs from the Prudhoe Bay fields in Alaska through Canada. A natural gas pipeline has been proposed whose route would follow the Alcan Highway, but there no money has yet been dedicated to such a project, nor are the oil companies interested in transporting natural gas out of Prudhoe Bay at this time.
- Historically you may be confusing the CANOL project with TAPS. The former was a WWII era pipeline from Haines to somewhere up in the Yukon or NWT, only a few inches in diameter (like six or ten I think) and designed to carry fuel not crude. The old fuel terminal still stands in Haines and is occupied by the US Army, I believe. The road built alongside still functions as the Haines Highway up to Haines Junction in YT. TAPS however was built in the 70s and is strictly within Alaska's boundaries, it doesn't come anywhere near the Canadian border at all. – Jéioosh 04:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Would more history in the article be appropriate?
I was thinking in terms of the controversy involved. There seems to be similar controversy surrounding drilling at ANWAR, today.
- Feel free to add anything you'd like, even just some bullet points. There are some similarities with the ANWR controversy, but there are some very significant differences too. – Jéioosh 04:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Pipeline Shooting
For what it's worth, I know people who live in Livengood. It's a small town of fewer than 30 people. Daniel Carson Lewis, who shot the hole in the pipeline in 2001, is lucky that the state troopers caught him before his neighbors did. Lewis is currently in prison (and will be for many years to come), and if he ever gets out he'd be well-advised not to return to Livengood...
The text in this portion is worthwhile, however, it would be better suited in a article about Daniel Carson Lewis.
[edit] Alaskan Natural Gas Pipeline
Why is there apparently no Wikipedia article about the proposed (or currently being built?) Alaskan Natural Gas Pipeline? It's a huge project that will deliver enormous amounts of natural gas to the lower 48 states, but I can't find any signifigant mentions of it in Wikipedia. It was even profiled on 60 Minutes. I wouldn't really know where to begin writing it myself, so could somebody more qualified start it?
- IIRC it's still not past the stage where the state legislature argues about it incessantly and then decides that they'll leave it for the next batch of politicians to work out. That combined with the fact that BP doesn't want to sell its gas on the Slope, and... So it's all talk at this point, at least as far as I know (I've been away from AK for six months so I could be out of the loop.). Granted it would be nice to have an article that sums up all the issues, however. — Jéioosh 21:56, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, it looks like there is one now: Alaskan Natural Gas Pipeline
[edit] Delisted Ga
I don't know how this article is still a GA, since it was reviewed by User:Worldtraveller who is ordinarily a fairly strict reviwer, but the only two notes refer to a current event, and the only two other refs don't exactly cover the entire article. This is not well-referenced. Homestarmy 19:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
