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Contents 1 BASE Jump 2 Google Earth 3 Reverted Alpinist Magazine spam 4 Links to Alpinist.com Climbing Notes

[edit] BASE Jump

There seems to be no clear distinction between two possible meanings of "highest BASE jump", one being "highest starting elevation" and the other being "largest difference between starting and landing elevations." In the first interpretation, the new Meru base jump beats the Trango one. But the second is also interesting, and I can't tell from what I see so far whether the new one beats Trango. -- Spireguy 18:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Google Earth

For those of you who are considering looking this place up on google earth:

Don't try. Their rendition of the area doesn't do the towers nearly enough justice. Alphabetagamma 03:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

True, Google Earth is not based on accurate data for many rugged mountain areas outside the US, and this is one of the most extreme examples. -- Spireguy 03:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted Alpinist Magazine spam

Much as I like Alpinist, this was not an appropriate edit, as Wikipedia is not a collection of links; also see Wikipedia:External links. These could conceivably be included as references for additional content, but not just included as raw links. -- Spireguy 01:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links to Alpinist.com Climbing Notes

At Alpinist we are constantly recieving first hand accounts of recent climbs from all over the globe. Many of these accounts are published in our magazine and on our website under Climbing Notes . Theses notes are written by the climbers themselves, retelling the adventures, and ascents they completed. In recent years, we have obtained a series of Climbing Notes pertaining to climbs in the Trango Group. We are hoping to share these climbing notes with Wikipedia users. These notes are free and hold the sole purpose of passing on information, along with the stories written by individuals who have personally experianced the area. They offer vast information and add a personal perspective to the area. In no way are they intended to sell a product. Alpinist_Magazine 04:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

First, thanks for logging in, and not posting anonymously; it makes it much easier to discuss these issues. Upon thinking about it further, and looking at the linked pages themselves, I don't feel as negatively as I did when I reverted the original links. The information is relevant, and relatively unbiased. However, it would still be much better if actual content was added to the article (as long as it is relevant and not getting into an un-encyclopedic level of detail) and the links were provided as references. If I have time I will demonstrate the difference with this page.

I will also say that many editors are even less forgiving about external links, especially when many links are put in at one time (as they were a few weeks ago), and when they are put in by an interested party (even if the intent is, as you say, noncommercial). They may perceive a conflict of interest. Personally, I think that your additions are in a grey area as far as necessity of the links and conflict of interest; but others won't think that. So you should expect a lot of reverts if you continue to simply add external links to many pages.

The two alternatives I would suggest are (1) adding content and references, as suggested above; (2) putting the links on the talk page and suggesting that other editors add them as they see fit. The second option avoids the conflict of interest issue.

I'm not a Wikipedia expert or admin, but that's my 2 cents. -- Spireguy 04:12, 17 November 2006 (UTC)