Talk:Traditional climbing

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Contents 1 old comments 2 Cut material 3 Dangers? 4 Croft

[edit] old comments

. #REDIRECT real climbing (all the other sorts are pale, watered-down imitations).

... err ... is my bias showing? Tannin

Should we mention that there is a significant safety difference between some of these belay devices? I know that there are limits to what we can cover, but I wouldn't like to see us just say things like "an italian hitch can be used" without mentioning that it ain't particularly safe, as compared with a stitcht plate. For that matter, figure-8s are fine for abseiling but not ideal as a belay device .... Hmmm. Where does it stop? Tannin

Instructional material like that is really something for Wikibooks. Gdr 16:51, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)

[edit] Cut material

I cut a big chunk of material from the article. It is good material, but it doesn't belong in this article because it applies to many styles of climbing (sport, aid, ice, toprope etc). I moved it to climbing system Gdr 22:00, 2004 Jul 3 (UTC)

need to find a way to show both uk and us perspectives on an equal footing

Thinredline 19:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

In the U.S., a bolted climb would be considered sport climbing, to the best of my knowledge. -Will Beback 19:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Joshua tree, suicide rock,Taquitz, yosemite, tuolumne meadows, Black hills of south dakota,: all have completely bolted routes that no one in their right mind would consider "sport climbs." Thinredline 02:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

This text:

• In some other parts of the world, notably North America, a route may be described as "traditional" even if there are bolts already in place on the route, as long as these bolts were placed while on lead, rather than rappel, and only where absolutely necessary for safe passage.

Gives an explanation that I've never heard of. I suppose that if a lead climber placed bolts, pitons, or other essentially fixed anchors his climb would be traditional, but the climbs of subsequent climbers would be "sport climbs". Unless someone has a source, or has heard of this usage, I think it should be deleted. -Will Beback 01:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn't write that, but I could have. It is correct from a US perspective. Thinredline 02:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's cite some references for all this, rather than work from memory. My own climbing books are too old, they mostly predate the distinction between rad and trad. Stan 12:31, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dangers?

Have there been any/many deaths during traditional climbing? What are the dangers of this sport? The Jade Knight 21:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

There are dozens of serious falls every year in North America alone, carefully tracked by the American Alpine Club. We should report some of their findings. -Will Beback · † · 08:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Croft

I have dropped the link off of Peter Croft as it was linking to a differnt Peter Croft, if someone feels like writing an article about the climber Peter Croft feel free to replace it, I do not know how to make it link to a non-existant article. 24.69.65.202 03:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing that problem. I bet we'd have an article on him if folks had known that there wasn't one already. As a prompt I've relinked his name, this time as Peter Croft (climber. -Will Beback · † · 08:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)