Talk:Track stand
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[edit] Photo
I like the photo but it's a little too crowded. Maybe we can get a new photo that shows only one person doing a trackstand. Will 17:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
- I agree - I tried to blur the background some but it still looks too crowded. I'll try to get someone to pose in front of a plain background, or if another contributor beats me to it that would be fine too! -SCEhardT 23:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Zen" connection
Is this really appropriate or necessary for an encyclopedia article? Needless to say it's completely POV. LDHan 21:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think this is wholly relevant. It is what attracts a lot of people to riding fixed/track. Also, individuals who can track stand for long periods of time explain it in some Zen fashion. For example, anyone can balance on a thin wood stump, but it entails some connectivity to be able to stand on it, lets say, for an hour. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.161.0.238 (talk • contribs).
- I think the trackstand, and the fact it's easier on a fixed wheel/gear bike than a freewheel bike are some of the attractions of riding a fixed wheel/gear bike. But this is separate to a "zen" explaination or description of the experience of a trandstand or riding a fixed wheel/gear bike, it's completely inside the mind of of a person who would do so. You could argue riding a bike itself has some "Zen" qualities because there's more connectivity to your suroundings than compared with driving a car, but nobody does, because nobody's heard of or talks about such an explaination/theory. However I do think there is more of a feeling of "connectivity" when riding fixed compared to a freewheel bike, but it’s nothing to do "Zen". LDHan 13:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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- I think the question is whether or not it belongs in an encyclopedia. Nobody denies that many people who ride fixed or can do trackstands talk about a "zen" connection. Whether they are misguided or not is not the issue here. The issue is whether Wikipedia should mention this aspect of the culture even though it's completely subjective and has no factual roots. I say yes because I think that the more the page says the better, at least to a certain extent ;) Will 06:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Since it has been rewritten with a more NPOV, I'm now undecided as to whether it has a place in the article. LDHan 07:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Track stands on "free-wheel" bicycles
I have seen cyclists on a road bike (not fixed gear) do track stands on flat ground, and they also use their brakes (perhaps just front brake?) and appear able to somehow use their body to push their bike backwards after stopping the forward motion with the brake.
I really don't understand how this is possible, because on a fixed-gear bike, pedaling backwards (as explained in the article) brings the bike under your center of gravity when the latter is in the direction opposite to the turn of the front wheel. But using the inertia of the body to push the bike back would appear to me push the body's center of gravity farther from the bike and not help balance.
I'd sure like someone to figure this out and write up how a track stand can be done on level ground without a fixed-gear bike.
Gary 02:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- On a freewheel bike, I suspect it's just balancing on two points by using your body weight and moving it to keep the bike balanced. On a fixed you stay still and move the bike by forward or back pedalling, whilst on a freewheel bike I think you keep the bike still and move your body, so if you're falling to your right, you adjust and balance by moving your body weight to the left, and not by trying to push the bike towards your left. I haven't actually done it on a freewheel bike, so it's just a guess. LDHan 03:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well it MIGHT be possible because a trackstander relies on making sure the bike is right under his/her the center of gravity. It would certainly be very hard to do on completely level ground.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wfisher (talk • contribs).
- On level ground, when I track stand on a freewheel bike with a rigid fork I have to creep forward a bit every few seconds. With front suspension however, I use the brakes to make the suspension bounce, thus propelling myself backwards and setting up a forward-backward rocking motion. -SCEhardT 01:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] How to?
Does this article really need a how-to? There is no way that a how-to is encyclopedic although I haven't actually read wikipedia's article on quality to see if it is or is not. I would like to remove this... we already have a link that acts as a how to.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wfisher (talk • contribs).
