Talk:Toronto municipal election, 2006
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[edit] Candidates
Should we list all candidates on this page? --YUL89YYZ 19:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, since no one responded and since it was done for the Toronto municipal election, 2000, I will add all the wards and candidates. --YUL89YYZ 14:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Candidate websites
I just removed election website links for Chris Reid and Howard Borenstein. I regard these as vanity links and shouldn't be allowed in Wikipedia. Does anybody have any experience with this kind of stuff? Have they been allowed on past election articles? Atrian 19:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- They should only be allowed on their own wikipedia pages, like David Miller and Jane Pitfield wiki articles, but not on this page. SFrank85 22:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Why not? I've been adding all the candidate links I can for the Ottawa election. --
Earl Andrew - talk 05:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC) - I don't think this is the place to put what amounts to free advertising to a group of people who don't have their own Wikipedia articles. They would likely be AfD candidates if they tried. Let them stand on their own merits. Atrian 13:51, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- It would be a pain to write up articles on every candidate, and it would be unfair to candidates who didn't have their own dedicated page, i.e. free advertising for those that did have pages. And we don't want to encourage candidates to start writing their own self-promotional Wikipedia entries, so an external link makes perfect sense to me.--Fshafique 07:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a soapbox, nor is it a place to advertise or self-promote political candidates, of any stripe. I advise you to read the Wikipedia guidelines especially Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Notability is not attained simply for putting your name forward for an election. Perhaps you should also read the guidelines for wikipedia inclusion for biographical articles, WP:BIO. Atrian 14:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- A Wikipedia administrator (William M. Connolley) has stated that, in his opinion, external links to candidate websites should be allowed on this page.[1] After some consideration, I now agree with him. I had been in agreement with Atrian's 'what Wikipedia is not' argument ... but that policy is actually what "Wikipedia articles are not". We are not talking about articles (individual pages) here. In other words, the subject of an individual page requires notability, but a simple external link on any otherwise valid page does not. It should also be pointed out that some other municipal election pages (Ottawa, Vaughan, Brampton) are allowing external links. I also agree with Fshafique's argument that we don't want a whole bunch of unwarranted candidate articles popping up and then having to go through AfD (that has happened with several candidates on this page already). I have been deleting external links up until now. If we can get a consensus that they will be allowed, I will personally add links to every candidate site I can find (as to be non-partisan). BTW, there is no specific reference to this issue on Wikipedia:Candidates and elections. Wolfchild 20:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Just a quick note: as an admin, I get to block people for 3RR, but it doesn't make my views on what should be on a page any more worth having than anyone elses. Having said that, I do think that Wolfchild has just pointed out a source of confusion: that to have a wiki page you have to be notable; to be linked to externally has no threshold other than usefulness of the link William M. Connolley 20:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- When I first put forth my opinion on this matter, things seemed pretty clear, I didn't think candidate websites belonged in Wikipedia, that to mention them would be little more than advertising. I didn't realize in practice what a pain in the butt this would be! There have been so many anonymous edits to this page that I have lost count and after reviewing other city election pages it seems my lofty ideal is lost amongst the clutter. So now I think it would make life easier if we allowed external links, one for each name, just to placate pols. Atrian 23:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- As there is now general consensus to allow them, I have added a whole bunch of external sites. Wolfchild 00:34, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- When I first put forth my opinion on this matter, things seemed pretty clear, I didn't think candidate websites belonged in Wikipedia, that to mention them would be little more than advertising. I didn't realize in practice what a pain in the butt this would be! There have been so many anonymous edits to this page that I have lost count and after reviewing other city election pages it seems my lofty ideal is lost amongst the clutter. So now I think it would make life easier if we allowed external links, one for each name, just to placate pols. Atrian 23:02, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Just a quick note: as an admin, I get to block people for 3RR, but it doesn't make my views on what should be on a page any more worth having than anyone elses. Having said that, I do think that Wolfchild has just pointed out a source of confusion: that to have a wiki page you have to be notable; to be linked to externally has no threshold other than usefulness of the link William M. Connolley 20:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- A Wikipedia administrator (William M. Connolley) has stated that, in his opinion, external links to candidate websites should be allowed on this page.[1] After some consideration, I now agree with him. I had been in agreement with Atrian's 'what Wikipedia is not' argument ... but that policy is actually what "Wikipedia articles are not". We are not talking about articles (individual pages) here. In other words, the subject of an individual page requires notability, but a simple external link on any otherwise valid page does not. It should also be pointed out that some other municipal election pages (Ottawa, Vaughan, Brampton) are allowing external links. I also agree with Fshafique's argument that we don't want a whole bunch of unwarranted candidate articles popping up and then having to go through AfD (that has happened with several candidates on this page already). I have been deleting external links up until now. If we can get a consensus that they will be allowed, I will personally add links to every candidate site I can find (as to be non-partisan). BTW, there is no specific reference to this issue on Wikipedia:Candidates and elections. Wolfchild 20:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a soapbox, nor is it a place to advertise or self-promote political candidates, of any stripe. I advise you to read the Wikipedia guidelines especially Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Notability is not attained simply for putting your name forward for an election. Perhaps you should also read the guidelines for wikipedia inclusion for biographical articles, WP:BIO. Atrian 14:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- It would be a pain to write up articles on every candidate, and it would be unfair to candidates who didn't have their own dedicated page, i.e. free advertising for those that did have pages. And we don't want to encourage candidates to start writing their own self-promotional Wikipedia entries, so an external link makes perfect sense to me.--Fshafique 07:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Why not? I've been adding all the candidate links I can for the Ottawa election. --
[edit] FYI - Preventing Deletion
- There has been several candidate/incumbent articles which have been nominated for deletion, usually under information being not-notable, or possibly advertising. Please see Campaigns Wikia, which is a more appropriate location for these kinds of articles. You are even allowed to (gasp!) have a point of view. :) Thanks. — MrDolomite | Talk 03:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
- *whistles* whilst the Toronto election gets all the deletion notices, the Ottawa page goes un noticed :-D -- Earl Andrew - talk
- *whistles* whilst the Toronto election gets all the deletion notices, the Ottawa page goes un noticed :-D --
[edit] Request
Does anyone have any information about Ron Singer, a candidate for Ward 15? He ran for the same seat in 2003 and finished well back with less than 10% of the vote. I'm trying to write a stub entry on him for the 2003 results page, but I'm having some difficulties. It seems there's more than one public figure in Toronto by that name ... and I'm not certain if the candidate Ron Singer has any public recognition at all. Anyone know? CJCurrie 02:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
One day after I made this request, Peter Kuitenbrouwer identified Singer as an insurance agent (ie. the candidate Ron Singer isn't either of the notable Ron Singers). Thanks. CJCurrie 18:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Adding links to candidates external sites
I really can't see why [2] is a bad idea... linking to ext sites where they exist seems useful. I say this in the context of the 3RR report filed over it William M. Connolley 15:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Links
Actually, I wasn't certain what the protocal was for situations like this. I thought that the preferred policy was to link to Wikipedia articles if we had them.
There's a link to Singer's website from the stub I created for him, btw. CJCurrie 23:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikinews article
I'm publishing a series of Wikinews articles in a few weeks from now. I've started linking to the interviews, as they are received and assembled. -- Zanimum 15:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 4 Year Terms
Since when does the mayor of Toronto have a 4 Year Term? Kingjeff 16:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- The Ontario government changed the length of municipal government terms in Ontario to four years in the spring of 2006; that bill received Royal Assent on May 18. You can review this at the Ministry of Municipal Affairs and Housing's Ontario Municipal Elections Guide 2006 if needed; it's noted right on the front page in John Gerretsen's Minister's Message. The parent article Ontario municipal elections, 2006 also references it with a link this PDF of the actual bill text. Bearcat 21:37, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I mean put a reference in the main article. Kingjeff 21:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Does it really need to be externally referenced in every single city-specific subarticle in addition to the reference that's already present on Ontario municipal elections, 2006? That seems kind of reference-overkill to me. But, as you wish, I've added it here nonetheless. Bearcat 21:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, it looks weird and I didn't even know that my own mayor will be getting a 4 year term. There are more users on here that are more picky then me. So, it would probably be a good idea. Kingjeff 22:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] James McMillan
Does anyone know if the Ward 18 candidate named James McMillan is the same as this James McMillan?
My guess is that they are: the "1979 list page" McMillan was 45 years old in mid-1979, and the current candidate is 73. I'd prefer to be certain, though, before I add a link. CJCurrie 22:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think so. This McMillon goes by Jim and he's not exactly running up the bill in his campaign. Kingjeff 23:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
But after reading it a little more. It could very well be the same guy. Kingjeff 23:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
The "1979 list page" candidate has used both "James" and "Jim" as a first name identifier. From what I can tell, the current candidate is eccentric enough to be the same person. CJCurrie 01:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
