Talk:Tony Banks, Baron Stratford

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I'd say a picture would be good. Andymarczak 11:49, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

He's about to die. Does this article need anything else as it will get more attention within the next few days (we imagine). Secretlondon 14:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

David Mellor says brain haemorrhage (from http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1681899,00.html Observer, 8 jan 06). I've changed the article to say this. Secretlondon 14:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Children? 2 Rt Hon/Member of thePrivy Council 3 Blair Quote 4 "Baron" is the Wikipedia convention

[edit] Children?

"Banks, who has two grown-up children, was taken ill on Sanibel Island, Florida on Thursday and was flown by helicopter to the trauma centre at Fort Myers, where he is now being cared for." [1] This contradicts the Wikipedia article, so which is correct? --JRawle 18:00, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

We don't have a source for that. I can't find any references to children (or no children) elsewhere so I'm taking it out. Secretlondon 21:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Obituary in today's Telegraph just says he's survived by his wife [2], so looks like the Observer made it up. --JRawle 10:52, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Obituary in today's Guardian [3] agrees with the Telegraph. Secretlondon 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rt Hon/Member of thePrivy Council

Just because he is dead, does that mean he is no longer Rt Hon and a MotPC? I notice someone has removed that title and category. --Gary Kirk (talk) 13:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Was he ever a member of the privy council? However, peers are always styled The Right Honourable irrespective of PC membership. Peers who are members of the privy council use the postnominal "PC", commoners don't. I'm not certain what Wikipedia policy is regarding "The Right Honourable" for deceased peers. --JRawle 14:48, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

See, for example Jim Callaghan - Rt Hon and PC still there. He's still listed under "Members of the Privy Council" too. There are also pages for both List of current members of the British Privy Council and Historical lists of Privy Counsellors. Lord Stratford is listed in neither. --JRawle 14:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have a reference showing he was made a privy counsellor? Although there are a very small number of referenced to "Rt Hon Tony Banks MP" in Google, I don't think we can trust them. --JRawle 16:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

He wasn't on the Privy Council. I tried to check his bio at the House of Lords, but they'd already removed it! However I just looked at Hansard from when he was "introduced" in July [4] and it doesn't say "The Right Honourable". When privy counsellors are introduced, their name is given with the prefix "The Right Honourable". (As it's giving their name prior to being enobled, it's only used for PCs). Therefore, PC should not be used after Lord Statford's name, although "The Right Honourable" can stay by virtue of him being a peer. --JRawle 21:19, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blair Quote

Has the feel of an off the shelf PR remark written by a PPS. Perhaps we can keep an eye out for a better quote.Alci12 16:58, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree that the Blair quote is pretty meaningless. The lack of a positive quote provided by the Prime Ministers office would be interesting, a nice one is expected and doesn't really tell us anything. Secretlondon 18:00, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Baron" is the Wikipedia convention

Some people keep changing the title of this page, and the first line, to "Lord Stratford" instead of Baron. Life peers are created Baron but always known as "Lord". The Wikipedia convention is to list them as Baron at the start of the article (although they should be referred to as Lord X later in the article). Please don't keep changing Baron to Lord! --JRawle 16:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)