Talk:Tom St Denis
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I'm all for a page about myself (Tom here) but isn't this a vanity page? Last I need is to be accused of being a wiki-whore. Can a more regular user or admin comment? (No, I didn't create the page... before anyone asks, I just found it via random pages on wiki) -- Tom
They just took the AFD off the article saying there wasn't enough discussion. Wow, well maybe if there is no discussion it's not important? Please delete the page. I don't want a page about myself on Wikipedia. -- Tom
- Hi Tom, I've relisted this page and LibTom Project for deletion. It seems that the reason the deletion notice was removed was because you didn't follow the deletion nomination process properly (you have to create a deletion discussion subpage)...but it's not your fault that the Wikipedia deletion system is a big complex pile of bureaucracy, of course. And I'll hope you'll excuse me from bandying around the term "non-notable" with regard to your software on the deletion pages. I'm using it within the context of Wikipedia's concept of "notability", and would not wish to imply your software is in any way unworthy. — Matt Crypto 01:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- No worries. I can maintain perspective about things which is why I nominated the AFD in the first place. The reason I didn't make a subject page is I'm not a wiki member. I hope that the original poster isn't peeved that I want to pull the page. Like I said on my website I appreciate the gesture but I think it's inappropriate. -- Tom —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.104.204.117 (talk) 01:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
- Hi, I added the page about you mostly for completeness in regard to the article about LibTom*. I do think your work on providing highest-quality public-cryptography-libraries worth more than a mention on Wikipedia. I consider you and your work deserve an space here, because not only big robbers and world criminals are "notable" people, and also not only huge software projects, but also known-for-been-good smaller projects which show a different way of doing things. On the other hand I understand you want to keep your low profile/anonymity. Alejandro Mery 02:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I might have been for this if there was more community support for the projects. Given the complete lack of high profile notable mentions it seems inappropriate. Yes, as I mentioned on my website I've been under attack from various usenet trolls for a while. I'm trying to trim down my profile so they will hopefully leave me alone. :-) Please don't take offense to my contrary behaviour, I do appreciate that you thought highly enough about my projects and myself to add an article. -- Tom —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.104.204.117 (talk) 02:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
- I understand, and as you requested, i vote for deleting this page. Alejandro Mery 17:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- You might wish to voice your opinion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom St Denis. — Matt Crypto 18:56, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I understand, and as you requested, i vote for deleting this page. Alejandro Mery 17:33, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I might have been for this if there was more community support for the projects. Given the complete lack of high profile notable mentions it seems inappropriate. Yes, as I mentioned on my website I've been under attack from various usenet trolls for a while. I'm trying to trim down my profile so they will hopefully leave me alone. :-) Please don't take offense to my contrary behaviour, I do appreciate that you thought highly enough about my projects and myself to add an article. -- Tom —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.104.204.117 (talk) 02:22, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
- Hi, I added the page about you mostly for completeness in regard to the article about LibTom*. I do think your work on providing highest-quality public-cryptography-libraries worth more than a mention on Wikipedia. I consider you and your work deserve an space here, because not only big robbers and world criminals are "notable" people, and also not only huge software projects, but also known-for-been-good smaller projects which show a different way of doing things. On the other hand I understand you want to keep your low profile/anonymity. Alejandro Mery 02:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- No worries. I can maintain perspective about things which is why I nominated the AFD in the first place. The reason I didn't make a subject page is I'm not a wiki member. I hope that the original poster isn't peeved that I want to pull the page. Like I said on my website I appreciate the gesture but I think it's inappropriate. -- Tom —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.104.204.117 (talk) 01:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
- Sorry for being lazy. I should have just created the discussion page myself. And Tom, echoing Matt's comment, no opinion is implied about the quality of your software. Arvindn 06:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
details... Ok, ok, some info about myself (really quick info...). I'm 24, live in Ottawa (Ontario, Canada). Graduated from Algonquin College in 2004 (Fall Semester) from a 3 year Compute Science and Engineering program. I started the LibTom projects with LibTomCrypt on December 21st, 2001. Originally the project was released under the TDCAL (Tom Doesn't Care About Licenses) License in the spirit of just giving the code away. I was prompted that this would imply a de facto copyright and I changed it to Public Domain later on. I started the LibTomMath project in the winter of 2002 to replace the MPI math library (by Michael Fromberger). Originally, I had patches against MPI, but they grew out of control and I just started LTM instead (from scratch). I wrote the LTM book (now published as the BigNum Math book) during the summer of 2003, and had initial drafts printed for the Crypto 2003 conference. I started the TomsFastMath library in the summer of 2004 as a way to kick up performance. Originally based on LTM it uses a set of common macros to provide a quick interface to assembler. It has been ported to x86_32, x86_64, x86_sse2, PPC32, ARM, and AVR32. I originally blocked the release of TFM as a fundraiser to pay for my last semester of college. I managed to raise $500 in excess of what I needed for tuition. In 2004, I presented at Toorcon during the seminar talks. In 2005, I attended LibreSoftwareMeeting in Dijon France and also gave a talk again at Toorcon. 2005 was also the first year I sponsored a stipend for a student to attend Toorcon. In 2006, I started the year working for AMD, I once again talked at Toorcon but couldn't arrange a stipend in time (I paid for a party dinner instead). In 2007, the LibTom projects (aka Me) plan to donate $1500 USD to the Toorcon group to ensure we have a budget for stipends and other charitable activities.
More deets: I have recently become involved in the One Laptop Per Child project, and as a whole I support their project and politics. Um, whatelse, um, LTM is the de facto bignum math lib for the Tcl scripting language. Some negative deets, to round out the picture. I used to be a fairly advid poster on the usenet group sci.crypt. Occasionally, rousing up a flamewar or two over the tactfullness of my posting habits. I'm generally known for my inability to bullsh@# and do not tolerate being BS'ed to. This character trait has often led me to being characterized as rude or anti-social. I tend to work really odd hours which don't always coincide with best business practices, but fortunately I'm usually known for releasing work on time.
More personal details: Was an Air Cadet for five years and played Royal Conservatory piano.
There, now the folk have details if they want to re-build the article, go for it.
- Thanks for the info. One thing to bear in mind is that Wikipedia articles are really just summaries of the literature on the subject. In this article, we're summarising the literature on Tom St Denis. Sources we can use would include book publisher biographies[1], and the local press article you mentioned in the AfD, but would probably exclude most of the information that can't otherwise be sourced apart from by your own testimony. — Matt Crypto 20:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- The timeline of the LT projects can be reconstructed from usenet postings, the website log and the changelogs of the projects. All I want is that if we keep an article about "Tom St Denis" up, that it actually educate the reader about what makes "Tom St Denis" worthy to have an article in an encyclopedia. Maybe younger folk can learn from my example and improve upon the style/technique/politics (e.g. my stance on copyleft vs. public domain, etc...). In short, I really don't think an article which is just links to my website is worthy of a Wiki article. -- Tom
- I appreciate where you're coming from. Wikipedia's approach to credibility is that articles rely on published sources. As a result we've ended up being quite picky about what sources we'll accept. Usenet posts and websites aren't usually normally considered "reliable sources" (even though individual editors would have no reason to doubt their veracity). — Matt Crypto 20:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- I get that you need reputable and reliable (as in available in the future) sources of information. Unfortunately, there isn't much press or otherwise archived information about me other than what's in usenet. Google Groups is probably the best resource for finding my old posts and announcements which discuss the projects. The Ottawa Citizen is interviewing me tomorrow morning (Dec 12th), and if they decide to print the interview I'll post the bib info here. -- Tom
- I appreciate where you're coming from. Wikipedia's approach to credibility is that articles rely on published sources. As a result we've ended up being quite picky about what sources we'll accept. Usenet posts and websites aren't usually normally considered "reliable sources" (even though individual editors would have no reason to doubt their veracity). — Matt Crypto 20:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- The timeline of the LT projects can be reconstructed from usenet postings, the website log and the changelogs of the projects. All I want is that if we keep an article about "Tom St Denis" up, that it actually educate the reader about what makes "Tom St Denis" worthy to have an article in an encyclopedia. Maybe younger folk can learn from my example and improve upon the style/technique/politics (e.g. my stance on copyleft vs. public domain, etc...). In short, I really don't think an article which is just links to my website is worthy of a Wiki article. -- Tom
Some typos to fix :-), "born in 1982", "living in Ottawa", "3 year Computer Science", "has talked since 2004". -- Tom
- my english stinks :( Alejandro Mery 03:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- "He is currently employed" ... must ... stop ... reading ... my own page .... ooh look random article link -- Tom
