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RSS feed

We should mention the RSS feed somewhere, probably as a link to Wikipedia:Syndication. See Wikipedia:General complaints#RSS Feed for Featured Articles. Bovlb 14:37:25, 2005-08-14 (UTC)

FA front page templates

Here are two templates that should be of interest to those with new FA articles either about to appear on the front page or that have appeared there. Simply insert the date the article appeared/will appear on the front page and paste the template into the talk page.

Today's featured article/archive 3 will appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on Insert Month and date here, Insert year here.

and

Main Page trophy Today's featured article/archive 3 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on Insert Month and date here in that order, Insert year here.

Thanks to Hydnjo for coming up with this.--Alabamaboy 19:04, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

  • As much as I would love full credit, this template is actually the result of a collaboration between Rick Block and myself. hydnjo talk 22:41, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


2006 archive

I'm going to create the 2006 TFA archive sometime in the next few weeks to a month. If anybody has any ideas on improvments, then please tell me about them. :) --mav 18:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Um, not to step on any toes, but I have created Wikipedia:Today's featured article/2006, Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 2006 and Template:TodaysFABar2006, heavily modelled on the ones for 2005. I hope they all work as they should. One change I think we can safely make is to dispense with the templates like Template:TFAforJanuary2005, using JanuaryCalendar2006Source directly (perhaps the ones from earlier years can be subst:ed and deleted?).
Lots of subpages need filling up (most of the daily pages for January, and the monthly and daily pages for the other months; for some reason, a few in September 2006 already existed). -- ALoan (Talk) 03:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

To what degree...

... is a request like this one um, bogus? The actress's birthday was in no way relevant to the (sycophantic) article that somehow made it onto the main page. BYT 15:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

About as relevant as 30 January is to the date of execution of Charles I of England - see above. In fact, assuming that 30 January was old style and so incorrect anyway these days, slightly more relevant. Is there a problem? -- ALoan (Talk) 15:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Yeah. He was the king of England, and that was a notable historical event. She is a B-list actress whose birthdate is of moment only to members of her immediate family. And, perhaps, her official or unofficial press agents. BYT 15:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
What exactly is an "unofficial press agent"? You seem to be suggesting that Extraordinary Machine has some improper motive in writing up the article, getting it accepted as a featured article, and then getting it featured on the front page, or that Raul654 has some improper motive in accepting the unanimous support with no objections (save for the comment that it may have too many references) on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/KaDee Strickland or the suggestion that 14 December is an appropriate day for KaDee Strickland to appear on the Main Page? Assume good faith. As I have said before, if you think there is a problem with the article, discuss it on the talk page; if you think it does not deserve featured status, bring it up on WP:FARC. (I see that you are doing both, actually, and I am sure the article will be improved as a result.)
As it happens, I don't care one jot for this particular article or its subject, but the bottom line is that pretty much any article that is notable enough to avoid being deleted is capable of being featured, and pretty much any featured article is capable of being featured (for one day only, mind) on the Main Page. Certainly, this article is in a much better state than Roy Orbison (which was also on the Main Page recently, and is now in danger of losing its featured article status). -- ALoan (Talk) 16:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


  • All good points, and thank you for sharing them.
  • I'm afraid you're changing the subject, though. It was totally inappropriate to assign this minor actress's birthday the same editorial level of importance as the date of the execution of Charles I of England.
  • Running the article on her birthday thus served no legitimate editorial purpose. (What I'm trying to figure out is whether it served as a token of thanks for her participation in submitting Original research for the the article, which is, for all the world, what it looks like from a distance, though I personally have no idea what actually happened.)
  • Running a front-page puff piece on a minor actress's birthday is the kind of thing a website devoted exclusively to singing this actress's praises would have done. We're not that kind of website. BYT 16:41, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome. My pearls of wisdom are worth what you paid for them ;)

I don't think I am changing the subject - you mentioned press agents. I'm still not entirely clear who you think is a press agent, or indeed what an unofficial press agent is (do you mean a fan? I have no problem at all with fans writing featured articles, so long as they meet the criteria).

At the moment, Charles I has not been assigned a main page date, although I imagine that Raul654 will accede to the request in the absence of a pressing reason to do otherwise. Why shouldn't a biographical featured article appear on the main page on the subject's date of birth or death?

Do you have any evidence of original research? From my brief review of the article talk page, the author has said that the quotes all come from external sources. The article certainly says quite a lot about not very much, but so what. Surely one of the strengths of Wikipedia is that we can have extensive articles on almost any topic. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Look, this is actually pretty straightforward. I think it was a bad call to run this article on her birthday, given that she's utterly obscure and the birthday has no editorial relevance whatsoever. Either you agree that that was a bad call or you don't. I'd be curious about your position, though, inasmuch as Raul isn't answering the phone on this.
Faced with a similarly obscure living subject, whose birthdate connects in no way to the article content, I feel we should not go the vanity press route and run the article on his/her birthday. Agree? Disagree?
And no -- I don't have any evidence of original research. If I did, I would be filing an RfC. It's all circumstantial, and I realize it's very likely that I'm wrong. But it still smells funny, and until I see cites on her quotes, I'm unconvinced. (And by the way, even if she did not participate in the article in any way, which is what has been claimed, we are still faced with the problems that the article that showed up on the mainpage yesterday a) might as well have been written by her press agent, and b) sailed through the process with massive citation and neutrality problems. BYT 17:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Shrug. I try not to second-guess Raul654. He has the job; he makes the calls. But I really don't understand your position. You say she is obscure, and so you say we should not put her article on the main page on her birthday. But if she is so obscure, surely it does not matter when the article is on the main page? In any event, it seems to me that the birthday does connect with the article content. Rather than pandering to the vanity of the subject, surely we are, in effect, boasting "look: it is X's birthday today, and we have this great article about them"?
If you suspect (let alone have evidence of) original research and/or POV, surely you should (a) discuss it on the talk page and/or (b) edit the article to delete it and/or (c) propose the article on WP:FARC. I'm not sure how much good an RfC is going to do.
Anyway, back to the original question: as far as I can see, the editor, the voters on FAC and Raul654 all acted in good faith. End of story. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


My position -- which you claim not to understand, but which even a cursory review of this conversation will reveal -- is that a mainpage article should connect to a specific date when there is a legitimate editorial reason for doing so. Unless I'm very much mistaken, this is the way you yourself explained this matter, back on Raul654's talk page.
There was no legitimate editorial reason in play here, even though you appear to want to talk around that fact and Raul654 has taken a vow of silence. BYT 19:06, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I really don't understand - you seem to be suggesting that we should avoid putting a biographical featured article on the Main Page on a date that some people (me included) think is relevant to the subject of the article (that is, the subject's date of birth or death). If you think the date is not relevant, why does it matter? Would you have objected to it appearing on 13 December or 15 December?
I can quite understand Raul654 staying silent - he does not need to explain his decisions. It is a bit late to ask him to change is mind now, two days later. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


Re: If you think the date is not relevant, why does it matter?
Because giving KaDee Strickland a birthday present of front-page media coverage on a global media source ...
...or appearing to give KaDee Strickland a birthday present of front-page media coverage on a global media source...
...smacks of bias and ignores the fact that Wikipedia is not a pro da machine, a vanity press, or an advertising medium.
Now, I think that's sufficiently clear. Or is there another variation on "I really don't understand what you're saying" in the pipeline here? BYT 14:12, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Any chance of...

...featuring Wikipedia on the main page on January 15, Wikipedia day and en's 5th anniversary? -- Seth Ilys 22:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I'm not a big fan of matching mainpage articles up with anniversaries unless the date matches up with a notable historical event that's relevant to the article. That's just one man's view, though.
On a lighter note -- wouldn't it be more entertaining, and perhaps give newcomers a better sense of the project, if we got Criticism of Wikipedia up to featured status -- I think it's a fine article -- and ran that on the mainpage someday? BYT 19:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

It seems to be graitious self-aggrandizement. (And let's not forget wikipedia:Avoid self references) Raul654 19:17, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

True enough. BYT 19:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

I though the reason the Wikipedia article hasn't on the Main Page is that it that it would look incredibly pompus. IMHO, we should use NPOV on the Main Page and not advertise ourselves.--HereToHelp (talk) 22:01, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be great to feature it on the main page on the day the English wikipedia reaches 1 million articles, I don't consider that 'advertising'. --WS 03:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Looks like that isn't happening, either. (-; However, Triumph of the Will isn't entirely inappropriate. . . for reasons best left to ironic speculation. Anville 12:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposal for improving TFA selection guidelines

I've posted a first draft of a TFA selection guidelines proposal. It needs much refinement, which I will do the best I am able over the next little while. Meanwhile, hopefully there is some input and feedback... --Tsavage 19:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

This is clearly a solution in search of a problem Raul654 00:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Tsavage has made it clear he thinks there is a problem, but hasn't gathered wide support for that view. I agree with Raul and the status quo - TFA can and should be virtually any featured article. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree complete with Raul654; however, I would like to know what prompted your descion descion to change TFA guidelines. TomStar81 03:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Ditto Bunchofgraphes and Raul. A solution in search of a problem. Johnleemk | Talk 09:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Possibly. Sometimes it takes a solution to identify a problem. The current policy and status quo say that TFA is whatever Raul654 decides it is. In my opinion, putting important content decisions unilaterally in the hands of one person is not good Wikipedia policy. As a, um, good Wikipedian, I'm attempting to be a little proactive about that. --Tsavage 02:06, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
He also fails or promoted candiadates on WP:FAC. The reason for having one person is to avoid disputes about what is or is not promoted, and what does or does not appear on the front page. However, there is a team who perform the failures and promotions at WP:FPC and WP:FLC, and who edit WP:DYK and WP:ITN... -- ALoan (Talk) 12:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm reasonably certain that putting an FA on the main page that was only nominated for FA status 17 days ago (€2 commemorative coins) implies lax standards.
I'm not especially criticising the article itself (and obviously I'm content to have subject matter from my area feature on the main page), but it seems rather premature to put such a recent FA up.
It does seem wrong to have the main page FAs, something that impacts greatly on the public conciousness of Wikipedia, seemingly randomly selected. Also the choices do display the bias of those who choose, whereas a clear set of guidelines (subject area rotation, etc.) would surely mitigate against that.
The current mechanism just doesn't seem, well, professional.
zoney ♣ talk 13:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I kinda like that any day you can stumble across an unexpected article on the main page. It makes it more interesting. When we are promoting FAs fast enough that selection becomes a real issue, then maybe we'll need guidelines. Right now I agree that guidelines are a solution in search of a problem. — Laura Scudder ☎ 16:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
There is no requirement that an article has to have been an FA for a long time in order to make the main page; to the contrary, as soon as an article becomes featured, many people request it for the main page (something which I don't particularly care for but can live with). Raul654 18:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment for proposed guidelines: I have some disagreements with proposed selection guidelines:
"Whenever possible, TFAs should deal with primary topics in the general subject areas they concern: "tissue" not "Kleenex", "personal computer" not "Apple Macintosh", "operating system" not "Microsoft Windows XP", "acting" and "motion pictures" not "KaDee Strickland"."

I've always seen the TFA as a way for WP to show that it has comprehensive articles on a wide variety of subjects, and even the most niche of them. I admire your intentions of wanting to separate education from commerce, but if an article has been identified as featured then it should already be written in a verifiable form and neautral tone.

Articles based mainly on sources like news media (newspapers, magazines) or official product literature would generally not meet this standard.

I agree with not using official product literature, but not with dismissing all newspapers and magazines.

FAs should NOT be scheduled in order to create a topical (e.g. current event) tie-in, in fact, that should be actively avoided. No "Christmas" on Dec 25 or anywhere therabouts; no "KaDee Strickland" on KaDee's birthday. In this respect, TFA should demonstrate the quality represented by FAs by deliberately not resorting to common promotional techniques and an appeal to popular trivia.

How is putting a featured article on a person's birthday trivial or a promotional technique? No specific product is being promoted. I'd consider putting a featured article about KaDee Strickland on the main page the day before her movie opens as a promotional technique, but not her birthday.--Fallout boy 20:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC) (and was it just me, or did the guidelines have a bit of an anti-KaDee Strickland bias?)

FFS rule creep - I've added some counter-claims on the said page. If an article is good enough to be Featured, it's good enough to "front page" it, else we'll end up with FAC being Peer Review #2. --PopUpPirate 00:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

If an article is good enough to be Featured, it's good enough to "front page" it, else we'll end up with FAC being Peer Review #2. Yes, you're spot on with that. My intention in drafting this was to suggest a reasonable procedural separation between FAC and TFA, because the process in FAC clearly doesn't assure 100% "great" articles (all FAs aren't "good enought"), and is already in many cases a "peer review" (major revisions over weeks and months on FAC). Why should oversights and errors in one area (mis-identifying FAs), be automatically amplified in another (putting them on the front page)? The fact that there is an active FARC, and controversial recent noms (see Bulbasaur for an example, an extreme one, but not atypical in respect to quality and promotion concerns). "Rule creep" describes what Raul654 commented above, that this TFA proposal is "clearly a solution in search of a problem". If a a problem exists, then independent guidance for TFA worth considering. --Tsavage 16:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Does adding more layers of review actually help? Right now, you have the original editors, the portal editors (who seem to have quality tests of their own -- for example. the Automotive portal has FA's and TFA's), there are the peer reviewers and the featured article reviewers (plus, working somehow off to the side, the 'Good Article' selectors) - then there are the FARC reviewers and now the TFA reviewers? If the articles that come out of four or five sets of eyes aren't good enough, will adding a sixth set of eyes at this stage help more? You might think so at first sight - but I seriously doubt it.
The pool of intelligent and interested people who are manning these various review stages - and the amount of time they are prepared to devote to reviewing articles - is a fixed resource. If you add another layer of review, some of the people who would have been doing PR or FAC (or Good Article selection or whatever) will be doing this instead.
If the rate at which reviewers find problems is a fixed number per hour they work - then it doesn't make any difference how many layers of review you have - the average number of errors in articles will be the same. So adding an extra hurdle for articles to get onto the front page would certainly result in the front page articles getting better. But the people who did that review are not doing peer review of FAC reviews - so the quality of articles that make it through PR and FAC would be worse. The result of adding another layer to the pile of layers there already are can only be to increase the quality of 365 articles a year - to the detriment of thousands of articles per year due to the reduced number of eyes on them during PR and FAC. The average quality of Wikipedia stays the same - but you end up with a tiny set of a few hundred superb articles instead of a few thousand pretty darned good ones.
Adding another layer of review actually worsens the quality of more articles than it improves - this is a mathematical truth. We shouldn't do it. In fact, there is a strong case to be made for eliminating 'Good Articles' and 'Peer Review' and a bunch of other review stages - thereby freeing up more reviewers to keep an eye on FAC and allowing more articles of better quality to pass through FAC successfully. In a mathematical sense: The mean quality of Wikipedia articles would stay the same - but our median quality would improve. There would be fewer 'super-quality' articles but more useful, well written ones that are useful to the general public. Adding extra layers creates 'elite' articles - but only to the detriment of the general quality of Wikipedia. IMHO, this is not a productive thing.
Wikipedia is NOT about sieving through a pile of junk to find one great article to put on the front page - it's about making a generally useful encyclopedia. Adding more layers of review is contrary to that goal.
SteveBaker 15:32, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Featured article choice is news

The Korea Times: Wikipedia Features StarCraft Story: is this the first time Wikipedia's choice of FA is the subject of a newspaper article? -- user:zanimum

Wikipedia, the globally renowned online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, Thursday picked up the article on StarCraft and its impact on Korea as a feature story of the day.
StarCraft refers to a real-time strategy game that can be enjoyed by multiple users through the Internet. It is all the rage in Korea, the nation where the Internet access is ubiquitous. Korea Times, 26-Jan-2006
Yes, that's interesting. It is an apparently positive Korean domestic piece, and WP is quoted liberally ti flesh out the bit. All the more reason to make sure FAs are all they're supposed to be, and that the process isn't subject to easy oversight and tampering. --Tsavage 16:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Triumph of the Will

I strongly object to featuring this on March 3. Despite my objection, this article is now set to be featured. I don't like saving criticism for the 24 hour countdown, so I thought I'd make my objection heard now. See also the article's talk, and my explanation of how fair use works on WT:RFAR. There is no way that we can feature this without changing the way the article uses images now. Either the images are PD and can go on Commons, which is meant for such galleries, or they are fair use and should not be used so excessively in the article at all. Johnleemk | Talk 15:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Our featured article of the day has legal problems

Triumph of the Will has a gallery of fair use pictures. There was a notice at the bottom of the article before it was featured on the main page asking readers to view Image talk:1936NurembergRally.jpg and the article talk for a discussion of the various images' copyrights, which appeared to imply the article's images are PD -- a rather poor excuse for not just tagging them as such and uploading them to Commons, which is for galleries (Wikipedia is not for galleries of images). However, the article talk only stated:

Now from what I gathered from discussing both with Riefenstahl and with producer at Synapse Films (they released Triumph of the Will on DVD in the early 2000's) copyright status can and has been avoided in various "versions" of the film (on DVD or VHS or in screening rights). These are versions that may have been held, like the one in the Library of Congress that Synapse utilized as 'public domain' or may have been edited slightly to avoid (is that the right word ?) infringement on Transit (or Riefenstahl for that matter). I have no idea how accurate these claims are but it may help explain why you have so many differing opinions on this matter of who, if anyone, holds the film rights.

The image talk page however, had the input of someone from the German Wikipedia, who stated:

In deWP we tag PD only images older than 100 years. The reason is the fact that nearly all pictures are to be evaluated as photo work and so a protection of 70 years pma is given.

Template talk:PD-Germany, which was cited by the discussion as evidence that the image was PD, has a notice at the bottom stating that the template was TfDed due to terribly inappropriate wording, and this was only rectified by altering the template's text. Furthermore, Image:1936NurembergRally.jpg is not even used in Triumph of the Will. From this, I believe we should assume the images are not PD, as there are very stringent laws pertaining to public domain images, especially in Germany. (There was a discussion on IRC earlier about whether the images are PD -- a British statute was cited, which stated that all German works imported into Britain between 1939 and 1951 were in the public domain, but the film was first released in Germany in 1935. Furthermore, as Wikipedia is hosted in the United States and the Wikimedia Foundation is based in Florida, I believe only United States law applies to it.)

Surprisingly, this troubling issue of fair use/weak claims of public domain, was not addressed by the FAC which passed this article. When it was first suggested for the main page, I brought this issue up. The article was nevertheless slated for the main page. Indignant, I complained in more detail on the TFA talk, and on the article talk. Now today, lo and behold, the article is on the main page, with my complaint having been totally ignored! Since apparently people think this can be just brushed aside nonchalantly because, y'know, them Nazis ain't ever gonna' sue nobody for using their pictures, I've made this excruciatingly detailed and long comment, and I will cross-post it to wherever I feel relevant. See also Wikipedia:Fair_use_review#Images. Yes, I know, some will scream m:Avoid copyright paranoia. However, we have insisted on removing fair use images from people's talk pages, even though there is a zero chance of being sued for their use (really, will the US Democratic Party sue us for using their logo in a userbox?), so why should we brush this off when an article supposed to be our best work and appearing on our gateway to the world so blatantly violates the provisions of fair use and/or the definition of a public domain image? Johnleemk | Talk 15:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Order of Saint Patrick

Although I'm sure some people would assume this would be a natural feature for St Patrick's Day, I object. Featuring British orders of knighthood makes us look as pro-unionist and partisan. Slac speak up! 02:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure, and when OpenBSD get's on the front page, that will make Wikipedia look pro-open source and communist? Feel free to make an Eire-related article feature-quality and then put it up here, then we can look pro-republic and partisan. 65.94.60.22 06:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
It would if we deliberately featured it on Bill Gates' birthday. Perhaps another, less work-intensive, solution would be to pick one of 364 other days upon which to put the article on the Main Page. Slac speak up! 02:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Dude, don't split people's talk, just respond to it. That shit is terrible. 65.95.241.86 21:56, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Would it be possible

to get Sverre of Norway on the main page? Fornadan (t) 15:59, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I put up the nomination, you feel free to clean it up. 65.95.241.86 20:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Somthing funny for April Fools

In a few days time it will be April Fools! Is there a FA related to humour and hasn't been on the main page yet? GizzaChat © 11:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Spoo is slated for the April 1 main page. — TKD::Talk 11:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

New RSS feed

Just a note to say that I created an RSS feed that shows the 20 latest entries of Featured Articles, see User:Skagedal/Fafafa. /skagedal... 00:11, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

(continued...) and other variations

I have noticed an inconsistency on Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 2006, with some TFA using (continued...) to link to the entire article, while others use (Continued...), (More...), or (more...). Is there a reason for using these variations? or is one of these preferred and should be used all the time? --Aude (talk | contribs) 15:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

i would also like instructions on how to do the "boxes" in the correct format. are there any unwritten rules? are some of articles listed above not being mainpaged because they did something wrong in the "box"? Zzzzz 14:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The ones that were justed added to Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 2006 used (continued...), so that seems to be preferred. --Aude (talk | contribs) 14:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I generally do not use the write-ups here unless I am having trouble doing one myself or am pressed for time. Otherwise, I tend to do my own (because the ones here tend to be riddled with main-page no-nos). As far as continued vs more, Brian0918 changed that in early April, and (having no objections to it myself) I have tried to use that consistently since. Raul654 14:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. As for (continued...) versus the others, I have no preference except that we be consistent. --Aude (talk | contribs) 14:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Where is todays article?

What happended to todays article? I cleared my cache, but no new article poped up. xxpor ( Talk | Contribs ) 00:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean? The article on the mainpage won't be listed here, this is where you request articles only. Today's article should be 1996 U.S. campaign finance scandal, and it appears on the main page for me; perhaps you cleared your cache too soon? -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs

It is on the main page. --Siva1979Talk to me 20:17, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

suggestion: new header template

I'd like to suggest that a unique (with a more contextually relevant description) template be made for the Todays Featured Article page, to replace {{Sprotect}} that is used there currently. Thanks. --Quiddity 03:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The Main Page featured article is generally not protected - see User:Raul654/protection. Like any other page, I would guess {{sprotected}} was added temporarily as a result of a particular spate of vandalism. There is {{mprotected}}, but that is used to stop the image on the Main Page being vandalised. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Oh! whoops. i knew that.. Thanks ;) -Quiddity 17:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

headline

we already had to put up with university of michigan as a featured article, why must michigan state be up there too? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.190.51.99 (talk • contribs).

School as daily FA

I have scheduled, albeit hesitantly, Hopkins School for May 30th. Raul654 18:04, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Missing FA request

A while back I placed USS Wisconsin on here for a shot at the main page. Today when I visited the page I noticed that the article had been removed, but I do not see a day that has Wisconsin appearing on the main page, nor do I see a main page appeance template on Wisconsin’s talk page. Was the nomination removed, or was this an oversight? TomStar81 05:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Oops, my bad [1] Raul654 05:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, that explains alot. At least you managed to find it. Thanks ;) TomStar81 05:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you - Wisconsin is on my short list - yes, I keep a text file on my desktop with the articles I plan to run next ;) Raul654 05:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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