User talk:TobyJ

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[edit] User talk:WikiProject Streetcars=edit

The information at the above page: where did you want it to go? It can't stay where it is because there is no such user as User:WikiProject Streetcars=edit -- Francs2000 | Talk 18:45, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Either go to Talk:Tram or Talk:Streetcar, click on "edit this page" and then add your comment at the bottom, remembering to sign your name. I will delete the other page you created. -- Francs2000 | Talk 19:01, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I have restored the message to User:TobyJ/Streetcars message. The 'project' is Wikipedia:WikiProject Streetcars. -- Francs2000 | Talk 21:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Chimaera (geography)

You may be interested in this article; and if care to comment on Talk:Chimera, this would been a good time. Septentrionalis 06:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SFEDI

I am not sure why they deleted SFEDI, but I am sure they had a good reason. I was just there to clean up the loose redirect. Cheers.- the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 16:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, I left a note with the deleter. Depending on what he says, I might apply for deletion review. Tell me, what is SFEDI? Do you have a link to a website about it, perhaps? - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 16:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Hey, see the SFEDI listing at Wikipedia:Deletion_review. You can vote as well. - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 00:45, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on the undeletion and AfD. Just goes to show you - the processes here work. I am gratified. See you around. - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 04:05, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

CONGRATS! It was kept. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 06:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Visual pun

You may be interested in the new Stub at Visual pun. —Toby Bartels 01:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gable stone

Hi, I am not an admin so I couldn't have deleted it. Nor would I have wanted to. :) It might have had something to do with the database lockup wikipedia had yesterday. I purged the article and it's back again. Thanks for the warning, Garion96 (talk) 12:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I posted this over at Talk:Co-oepratives, but I'll cross-post it here. I'm interested in your comments...

I'm actually somewhat tempted to rewrite the 'Legal entity' section when I get the chance. The situation, in practice, seems to be more complex than the text makes out:
1) I think that unincorporated Co-operatives may be more common than you think. To cite one study, Alison Bourn's study of food co-operatives in Victoria, Australia (Bourn, Alison, et. al., “Food Co-operatives in Victoria by The Victorian Food Co-operative Study Group”, Collingwood: Victorian Food Co-operative Study Group, July 1984.) found that (particularly among poorer socio-economic groups in downtrodden small towns, housing estates, and the poorer inner urban areas) there were a significant number of buying groups or buying clubs which were, functionally, food co-operatives or consumers' co-operatives, but (due to a lack of resources, knowledge, etc.) had not formally been incorporated. To cite some higher profile examples, from the 1970s to the 1980s, the Co-operative Federation of Victoria had been an unincorporated body ( http://www.australia.coop/publish/article_240.php ). If memory serves me correct, weren't the Rochdale Pioneers (or at least some of their contemporaries or predecessors) unincorporated? It is also not uncommon for a Co-oeprative to begin as an unincorporated body amongst a group of friends and then, beyond a certain level of growth, to incorporate. Anyway, the phenomenon is also discussed by Ray Radford.(Radford, Ray; and Keenan, Michelle; "Food co-ops: A Resource Handbook," Melbourne: V.C.O.S.S., 1988.)
2) It is also not uncommon for small to medium Co-operatives, in which all (or at least most) of the members are also members of another organisation (for example, if a group of people who all attend the same school, live in the same housing estate, or are members of the same non-profit organisation) to operate under the legal auspice of that organisation. The reason, for example, why the food co-operatives at Melbourne, Monash, and Latrobe Unviersity are so concerned about VSU is because they are operating under te legal auspice of their respective student unions. Similarly, Under Current Co-op was run for a number of years under the legal auspice of the Brotherhood of St. Laurence(Manton, Joe, et. al., “Under Current Co-op Helpful Information for Co-ops”, Fitzroy: Under Current Co-op., September 1983.)
3) In some jursdictions, Co-operatives are not recognised by the State as a distinct organisational form; thus you have enterprises which are organsied along Co-operative lines (for example, observing the Rochdale Principles) which are nonetheless incorporated as - for example - a Friendly Society, Association, or LLC. For example, prior to - I think it was 1953 or 1954 - there was no Co-operatives Act in Victoria, even though Co-operatives had existed in the State since at least the 1870s; albeit incorporated under other Acts.
4) Similarly, in jursidictions where there is State recognition of Co-operatives as a distinct organisational form, there may be Co-operatives which, nonetheless, choose to incorporate themselves under other Acts. To cite one prominant example, the Murray Goulburn Co-operative (producers of the popular Devondale Brand of long life milk) is an Argricultural Producers' Co-operative which is nonetheless incorporated as a LLC. (in fact, Section 252 of Victoria's Co-operatives Act 1996 makes explicit provision for such arrangements: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca1996157/s252.html ).
There may, infact, be enough material (when you properly discuss different legal options for co-operatives, and the differences between different jurisdictions and countries in how co-operatives are recognised, and the relevant pieces of legislation), to branch off a Main Article fully discussing the issue. - AmishThrasher 11:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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