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[edit] New categories/organization in Category:University of Georgia

I've been thinking about some additional categories for UGA. Specifically, creating a University of Georgia people cat, with subcats underneath that of faculty, alumni, presidents, and athletes. Then I suggest placing Georgia football players as a subcat to that. Also, for now I've put all non-graduates that attended UGA in the main UGA cat. instead of the alumni cat. Not sure if I should just start throwing all attendees into the alumni cat (not sure about double-categorizing the athletes though). What are you thoughts?--Roswell native 04:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Wow, that was a pretty thoughtful response. I'm still digesting it. If you want to verify if folks have graduated from UGA, try here. Once you register you can search the alumni database and get degree info and years.--Roswell native 16:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appalachian Mountains geology

Hi. I have responded to your concerns on my talk page. There's some history on this newcomer I only learned about late last night. --A. B. 21:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Catfish Smith.jpg

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[edit] Re: Fair use question

I won't claim to be the highest authority on fair use, but I believe {{fair use in|whatever}} is the most apropriate tag, {{historicPhoto}} seems to be more geared toward historic events, and these are just generic headshots. They also need a fair use rationale explaining why the image is believed to be fair use in the article it's used in, and preferably also why it's used within Wikipedia's fair use critera (such as why a free licensed alternative that convey the same information can not be created (person is dead, image show what they looked like when they where still active or whatever, how it improves the article etc.). Without proper source data we can't rely asert that they are public domain, they might well be, but we need to be eable to "prove" it before we can make such a claim, so stick with fair use unless you can dig up more detailed info on them. --Sherool (talk) 22:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 142.166.158.73

I've found vandalism by User 142.166.158.73 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:142.166.158.73) on the Wintersleep page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wintersleep&oldid=89654615#Videos). I've removed the offense, but I see this isn't his/her first time vandalising. Please consider a ban.

Thank You

Response left at User talk:74.100.162.185.--Tlmclain | Talk 16:34, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:LisaCoole.jpg

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The bot seemd to have marked this in error. See discussion below.--Tlmclain | Talk 21:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

On the talk page for Carnildo, Tlmclain wrote:

Carnildo Either I incorrectly added the fair use rationale to Image:LisaCoole.jpg or your bot didn't see it. I have duplicated the rationale once again in the image description, but you may want to check on how this particular image was handled. Thanks.--Tlmclain | Talk 22:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

It's a combination of a mistake on your part and a bug in OrphanBot. The parameter for the {{fair use in}} tag is only supposed to contain the name of the article the image is used in, and the phrasing you used managed to miss all the words the bot is looking for. I've added a half-dozen additional words and phrases to OrphanBot to cover this in the future. --Carnildo 06:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Timothy harper

You've been here awhile, so you should know better than to make random nonsense pages like this one. Use the sandbox in the future, please. -- DiegoTehMexican 18:39, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I apologize; I saw that page and snapped at you without thinking. -- DiegoTehMexican 18:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
As I said on your talk page - no problem.
For the casual reader who is wondering what this is all about, the orginal Timothy harper page was not created by me and a second page was inadvertantly created while I was trying to tag the first one for speedy deletion. See my comments to an administrator here and my full response to DiegoTehMexican here--Tlmclain | Talk 19:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
USC's great, especially being in the marching band. It's kind of weird having Saturdays free now; I'd almost forgotten what to do with them. -- DiegoTehMexican 19:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, don't worry, it's gone now - good call! Deb 21:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Takis Mpountalas

Well, first things first--I zapped that article for lacking content. Secondly, {{db-nn}} is not a tag we encourage using, since what the speedy deletion criterion looks at is whether notability is asserted, not whether it's notable. It's a tiny difference, but it helps to reduce the amount of subjectivity that goes into new page patrol. The other thing is that creators are not permitted to remove the speedy deletion tags from articles they've submitted, which is what that user did. Before I had the deletin' powers, I used to periodically check through my contributions to see if there were any I had tagged for speedy deletion that were, y'know, still there, and no longer had (top) next to them. But that's a lot of work, and doesn't always catch them. This particular case is a bit fuzzy since I kind of, well, ignored the rules and deleted it anyway. Were I a non-admin, I would have tagged the article with {{prod}}, added it to my watchlist, and then taken it to WP:AFD if the prod tag had been removed. I hope that this was somewhat helpful. Really, the best resource for speedy deletion stuff is just to read WP:CSD periodically: it contains all the criteria clearly laid out and lists the appropriate templates to use in each case. Longstoryshort, that article was crap and you did all right.  :) -- Merope 20:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gary Neville

Yes, usually there are a few attacks like that every day, though this is one of the worst ones. I'm going to figure out whether it's today's featured article or something. Those are attacked often. If not, I'm going to protect it. Academic Challenger 22:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Gwernall just protected it. Academic Challenger 22:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fauna of Minnesota

Thanks for the heads up. Minnesota just attained FA and will hopefully soon be on the Main page, so I want to make sure that all of the links from that article go to a page with at least some decent content. I don't care much about Flora or Fauna, but I do care about the impression that readers get when they link from an article I do care about. I still need to work on Demographics of Minnesota, Politics of Minnesota, Economy of Minnesota, Music of Minnesota, Transportation in Minnesota, Climate of Minnesota, History of Minnesota, Geology of Minnesota, Sports in Minnesota, St. Paul, Minnesota, and Minneapolis. So, if you'd like to look at and contribute to any of those, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Appraiser 01:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm pleased with it. The biggest problem was paring it down to a reasonable size. And that didn't really work well until we created all the sub-articles (like the ones I mentioned). After that, each contributer who had their pet projects could be satisfied by putting all the detail they were interested in, into the sub-articles. Then we could write a fairly brief summary in the Minnesota article, referring readers to the more detailed ones.
Earlier this year, I was hunting around for a copy of Grace that was in the public domain. I never did find one, and although it is the State Photograph, I'm not sure we have the rights to publish it.
My suggestion isn't so far-fetched. I've contributed some to North Carolina because it was a Wikipedia:U.S. Wikipedians' notice board/USCOTW. I tried to bring to the table some of what I learned from Minnesota, and I think I helped some. Appraiser 03:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Georgia (U.S. state) edits

Hmm, looks like I caused more harm than good. Feel free to edit/remove any additions I made, I was basically playing around with the tables since your original edit looked so good.--Roswell native 04:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:New categories/organization in Category:University of Georgia

OK, I am finally responding to your proposed category organization, I put my suggested changes and comments in bold so they would be easier to see since this is somewhat long.

Subcategories for University of Georgia

  • University of Georgia people
    • University of Georgia alumni
    • University of Georgia athletics personnel (I don't even like my own suggestion, but we need something that covers athletes/coaches/athletic association folks in one term)
    • University of Georgia faculty, staff and administration

** University of Georgia non-graduate attendees

how about just leaving the non-graduates in the UGA People cat?
      • University of Georgia presidents (moved this one sublevel down)
      • University of Georgia trustees (no one after 1931 would be in here since this moved to Univ. Sys. of Georgia)

One additional issue to address with athletics is whether it is necessary or appropriate to distinquish between male and female atletics in common sports. That is already being done under basketball. If so, the above hierarchy would extend one more level. Basketball would look like this:

This looks good to me

The current structure of University of Georgia basketball and Georgia Bulldogs football also highlights another issue - do players get listed as subcats of the team category and the athlete category or do we re-organize so that they appear in only one place?

Just list the player cat under that team sport so, category:Georgia Bulldogs football players cat would be the listed under category:Georgia Bulldogs football instead of all the individual players. What do you think?

It may be pre-mature to add some subcats at this time. For example, my perception is that there aren’t that many Georgia baseball players in Wikipedia at this time, so the subcat could be unpopulated or under-populated.

I would say anything team with less than 10 existing entries should just have the players listed under the Georgia Bulldogs athletes cat.

Some double-categorization may be inevitable, unless you tuck a subcat in more than one cat. With the hierarchy above, a football player would wind up in University of Georgia alumni and Georgia Bulldogs football players. Alternatively, you could make Georgia Bulldogs football players a subcat of both Georgia Bulldogs players and University of Georgia alumni and perhaps avoid double-categorization. However, I don’t mind double-categorization since part of the goal of categorization is to make it easy for users to browse through similar articles. In other words, since some may browse by alumni and some by player, double-categorization may be a good thing. :I agree, I'd rather double-cat in this case.

Finally, as if this isn’t already a big enough project, it may be a good idea to look at managing the various lists in existence (and any that are needed). In other words, how should the athlete listing List of University of Georgia people be managed vis-à-vis the list Georgia Bulldogs football#Former Notable Players and any list that might be created to list all former players.

I have mostly avoided the list as it's hard to maintain, once I have exhausted finding existing UGA related bios and creating ones that I have on the plate, I might focus on that list. I watch the similar page for Michigan, and it gets numerous edits a day with much potential for spats and that has made me gunshy about a list.

You'll probably never ask me a question again. Tlmclain | Talk 14:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Nah, we have a lot of similar interests but are focusing on different things for the most part so that should make for some good future collaboration. Thanks for putting so much thought into this, I would have been more haphazard in my approach.
--Roswell native 04:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I can't seem to edit my other comment ( I screwed up your talk page, huh?), but with respet to a UGA Wikiproject, I am not familiar with them at all, but he ideas we have are basically part of what a Wikiproject would be, putting templates on the talk pages, etc. So, why don't we launch the new cats. and we can discuss if a Wikiproject is justified and worth the planning. What say you? --Roswell native 04:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Going live with new UGA cats and reorg

OK, sounds like we have a plan. I like the idea about putting the info on the talk page. Let me know if/how you'd like to split it up and we'll get started. --Roswell native 05:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly headed towards a UGA Wikiproject

From your last response on the UGA cats. sounds like you might be intersted in starting a Wikiproject. Check out the one for UT Austin.--Roswell native 21:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For all the hard work

The Working Man's Barnstar
For all the excellent work on articles relating North Georgia that otherwise may not have seen the light of day...HowardSF-U­-T-C- 04:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Image:Corydalis sempervirens.jpg

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[edit] Re: Smithsonian Images

I added a comment (and a possible replacement) on the image page in question. Not sure if I can add so much more to the general discussion though. If the plants are very rare and hard to find that does seem like a good argument to keep an image though, just make sure that is made clear on the disputed image talk pages. Rare plants and the difficulties in photographing them is not rely my strongest point I'm afraid. --Sherool (talk) 18:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Well yeah, the Trillium discolor is aparently common enough localy (though I'm no expert on how far into "nowhere" one would have to hike to find any), so as long as it's not unreasonably hard to find and photograph a plant we should not be using a fair use photo of one (I added a photo request template on the articles talk page either way). So if you are willing to help out by culling some of your own uploads that you agree can be reasonably replaced that would be nice. Hopefully we can find free licensed photos of them sooner rater than later. --Sherool (talk) 19:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New UGA cats and UGA template

Looks good. Let me know which ones you'd like me to create or when you've hit a break and I can just pick up what's left. As far as the UGA template - after I started to populate it, I realized that it was mostly full of non-existant entries so I started on those instead (and have gotten sidetracked on several other tangents). It still needs some actual entries. Feel free to add as you see fit. We can take it live I suppose if you like.--Roswell native 23:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UGAcat template

Took me a while to remember how I set that table up - 5 columns wide. The two middle columns that contain the cats and the info below the cats had a width of 5 columns (the entire width of the table), but should have only been three columns as I have a column on both ends that makes the black border (which I don't really like - I was trying to make those end columns 1 px wide and could not get it to work).--Roswell native 03:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UGA cats

Thanks for the note. Basically, your heirarchy should follow the split (which I never wanted, by the way, but lots of others did) that keeps men and women's teams separate. The split has the following definitions:

  • If the men's and women's programs have the same name, the umbrella category is "Georgia Bulldogs basketball" and the split subcategories are "Georgia Bulldogs men's basketball" and "Georgia Bulldogs women's basketball".
  • If the men's and women's programs have different names, the umbrella category is "University of Georgia basketball" and the split subcategories are "Georgia Bulldogs basketball" and "Georgia Lady Bulldogs basketball."

Unless you know of a change I don't, the latter rule applies. The Lady Bulldogs can't go under "Georgia Bulldogs basketball," and we don't want two categories in category:College basketball teams, so the only possibility is to follow the second rule above. Does that make sense?--Mike Selinker 17:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Absolutely you can withdraw a nomination. Just say you're withdrawing it, and why, on the nomination, and I'll close them.--Mike Selinker 17:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bulldog articles

I've noticed you've been busy creating articles regarding the Georgia Bulldogs. There is a WikiProject tailored to college football and you're more than welcome to join. One thing that we've discussed are the minimum requirement for articles regarding individual team seasons. Unless an article can contain detailed descriptions of what occurred during the course of the year, such as preseason expectations, game summaries, post-season analysis, etc, we feel that creating individual pages for each year is unneccessary and maybe overkill. What the members of the WikiProject decided was best was an article for a team under a certain coach. For instance, Georgia Bulldogs football under Pop Warner. You can see the discussion that has taken place regarding this issue here. We'd love to hear your opinions on the matter.--NMajdan•talk 22:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Response posted here--Tlmclain | Talk 23:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I took a look at your sandbox and posted my reply here.--NMajdan•talk 14:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 Georgia Bulldogs football team

Let me know when you make this page and I'll make sure it gets linked around like the other SEC pages. CJC47 23:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

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