User talk:Tirin

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[edit] Work in Progress

[edit] Benefit Society

I want to start a new article on Benefit Society. Here is a definition I'm not quite happy with:

• An organisation or association formed for mutual aid or insurance to provide for mutual relief.

Benefit societies include labor unions, Friendly Societies, Fraternal organizations, and lodges and orders such as Freemasons and Oddfellows.

Early Medieval Guilds were perhaps the basis for Benefit Societies.

From a guild charter document from 1200:

To become a gildsman,..it was necessary to pay certain initiation fees,..(and to take) an oath of fealty to the fraternity, swearing to observe its laws, to uphold its privileges, not to divulge its counsels, to obey its officers, and not to aid any non-gildsman under cover of the newly-acquired 'freedom.'

The structure of 'brotherhood' is in place, on which Freemasons, 'friendly societies' and 'trade unions' rest. The principles of discipline, conviviality and benevolence which shaped 19th and 20th century 'rites of association' are already in place - an oath, secret signs and knowledge, exclusive regalia marking office and achievement, members' contributions kept in a 'common box', and a sense of exclusiveness based on a line drawn between 'insiders' and 'outsiders', a line drawn by the notion of privilege attaching to the 'freedom' of the craft.

Source Material:

The source material for this view comes from articles by Dr Bob James, an Australian historian who has been researching in the field for the last 20 years: http://www.takver.com/history/benefit/

Particularly important are the articles on Secret Societies and the Labour Movement, The Knights of Labour and their context, and the book length treatise revised in May 2002 CRAFT, TRADE OR MYSTERY: Part One - Britain from Gothic Cathedrals to the Tolpuddle Conspirators.

[edit] Origins of unions

I am currently working on updating the Labor Union page to update this section:

Unions not guilds

Unions are sometimes mistakenly thought to be successors to medieval guilds. Although guilds also existed to protect and enhance their members' livelihoods, guilds were groups of self-employed skilled craftsmen who had ownership and control over the materials and tools they needed to produce their goods. Guilds, in other words, were small business associations.

A union, in sharp contrast, is an organisation of hired workers who, generally speaking, own and control only their own ability to labour, not the tools or materials they work on. While industrial era unions could and often did consist of highly skilled factory workers, one of the radical breaks with the past was that unions could be constituted for essentially unskilled workers, even poor agricultural labourers.

with this section:

Origin of unions

There is debate over the origins of unions. Medieval guilds are put forward by some historians as precursors to modern unionism. British labour historians Sidney and Beatrice Webb, have asserted in their History of Trade Unionism (1894) that such a claim rested 'upon no evidence whatsoever.'

A recent historical view puts forward that the origins of trade unions is part of a broader movement of benefit societies, which includes Freemasons, Oddfellows, Friendly Societies and other Fraternal organizations.

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[edit] Cycling at the 2004 Summer Olympics

Thanks for spotting my stupid mistake regarding Ullrich (for some reason I thought he'd got two golds at Sydney)Average Earthman 07:48, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Melbourne

I've noticed you've added a little about Melbourne (by the way, I like your idea of adding articles for the city's bike trails). If you're interested, why not become a member of the WikiProject Melbourne? It's slowed down a bit of late (unfortunately), so any help would be greatly appreciated. TPK 08:59, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Upfield_bike_path_melbourne.jpg

I was hoping to get a better image to put there. Somebody in the WWW 08:54, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wonderful work on Coburg!

G'day Tirin,

Thanks for your excellent work on Coburg, Victoria. You've fleshed a very small stub into an excellent article! Well done!

I feel that the article is so complete that I've removed the stub notice. The current article knocks the socks off that of Blackburn South, which is used as the sample article on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Melbourne/Suburbs.

Thanks again for all the great work!

--PJF ^(talk) 08:12, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:SydneyFunnelWebSpider.jpg

Hi Tirin, just for your information: I uploaded your picture to the wikimedia commons. Off course your authorship is mentionend. If you like to add some comments, you find the pic at [1]. kind regards --Zinnmann 09:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Heritage buildings in Melbourne

I didn't think the name was perfect either but I was just trying to limit the scope of the list a bit - there are thousands of heritage sites on the heritage list. Maybe a better name is major heritage sites in Melbourne - the only problem then is defining what's major or not. Anyway, I just thought the heritage list was a good way of tying these things together, I'm not overly fussed about the name. Andypasto 08:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Emma Miller

Thanks for your excellent additions to the Emma Miller article :) --nixie 09:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

She's an interesting figure but hardly a major one in Labor Party history, and certainly not the "mother of the ALP." If she is to be named in this section so should dozens of others. You could link to her article from the Australian Labor Party article under "See also." Adam 10:16, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Australian communists

We need an article on Lance Sharkey. Do you have any sources? I could find his Tribune obituary next time I am in a library. Adam 29 June 2005 02:21 (UTC)

Almost certainly I can find some sources tonight.--Takver 29 June 2005 02:39 (UTC)

Adam, try Australian Left Review No 3, June-July 1967 for an obituary on Lance Sharkey for a starting point. Ralph Gibson The fight goes on has several passing references including a photo. Stuart Macintyre's history - The Reds - contains several references. The biography Brian Fitzpatrick: a radical life by Don Watson has detail on the sedition charge in 1949. For original sources and archival collections the best reference is Communism in Australia: a resource bibliography compiled by Beverley Symons - this is a very thorough compilation of original source and reference material, which is where I found the reference to the obit from ALR. The only other source worth checking is the entry in Australian Dictionary of Biography Vol 16.--Takver 29 June 2005 15:30 (UTC)

[edit] Parks and gardens

Categories can't be moved to a new name, so I deleted the old category and moved it to the new one with the correct capitalisation. Thanks for pointing it out. --nixie 5 July 2005 01:37 (UTC)

[edit] 1912 Brisbane General Strike

I just read this page - great work! Hmette 15:03, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

I've just nominated you for adminship. If you're interested, would you mind accepting the nomination here? Ambi 04:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Secondly, I just noticed the Cycling and Sports organisations WikiProjects you created before. I wonder if these would be better as subpages of WikiProject Australian sports - do you think they're distinct enough to need a seperate project? I think we're likely to get more editors if we keep it all together in the one project. Ambi 05:40, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Use of {{sport-stub}} tag

Greetings,

You created the article Australian Olympic Committee. Thank you! However, when you created it you tagged it as {{sport-stub}}. I believe it is more appropriate to label it as {{Olympic-stub}} and have done so. I'd like to politely ask that in the future, prior to stub tagging something, please review Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types. You may already be aware of that resource; I don't know. I'm not judging you based on the one tag you put on the AOC article. I'm just trying to help keep stub tagging going in the right direction. Thanks! --Durin 18:16, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] master-servant act

From a brief survey of your excellent pages I gather that you may be able to find the text of the Master and Servant Act(1828) or similar (NSW or later Vict law)? Have tried the net of course but no go. Could you point me into the right direction? Any ideas? I would like to do a page on this subject. Lentisco 06:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Now thats what I call service! Thanks for page. If you come across the text of the NSW Act would love to know of it. Lentisco 01:12, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Further to the comment you posted on my user talk page, I note that I did not see any link to Hansard when you added that comparison, and that you added it after I reverted it. This may be an oversight on my part, and if it is, I should be grateful if you could tell me. Cheers. JSIN 10:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Tirin- thanks to Greg Donellan (NSW MLC) I have been provided with a copy of the 1902 M & S Act (pre-federal laws). Ideally I would like to enter the text but that will take time as the english is arcane and their are perverse capitalizations and Id like to preserve the original typography as much as possible. Or should I enter a scanned page copy onto Wikipedia? What is best? In the interim do you want scanned copy? Or if you like I could mail you a copy? It would be no problem. Lentisco 01:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] scanned act here

Tirin, 1902 Act may accessed here in the form of scanned pages: http://bawbaw.tripod.com/master/front.png

http://bawbaw.tripod.com/master/1.png

http://bawbaw.tripod.com/master/2.png

http://bawbaw.tripod.com/master/3.png

http://bawbaw.tripod.com/master/4.png

http://bawbaw.tripod.com/master/5.png

http://bawbaw.tripod.com/master/6.png

Unfortuately they dont 'link' directly. You have to copy the 'url' into into the address line. At the moment Im still typing the 'text' out. Do what you will with the images. Lentisco 01:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] wikisource

Thanks-- I guess it ended up in a good home. Lentisco 06:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Oenone Wood

I added the data for Oenone Wood's cycling palmares to the discussion page for the article. I'm not sure what you want included in the main article. JFPerry 18:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sara Carrigan

Additionally, I added some cycling Palmares for Sara Carrigan on the discussion page of that article. Again, I'll leave it up to you to decide which items you might want to work into the main article. JFPerry 00:20, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] History of Brunswick

Hi Tirin. I noticed on the Wikiproject Melbourne talkpage that you're interested in gathering information on the history of Brunswick. I wanted to let you know that I've been compiling some information at User:Cnwb/Brunswick. Cnwb 00:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great strike of 1917

Thanks Takver. At this stage I am not intending to write an article on the great strike. The conditions imposed on the Waterside Workers Federation after the great strike were an important cause of the Fremantle wharf crisis of 1919, about which I am writing an article. The sources you've passed me will inform the Background section of that article. Snottygobble | Talk 06:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Derrimut (Indigenous Australian)

Ive just set up this entry--and I shamelessly lifted most of your text from another page. I think he (Derrimut) should get primacy over the suburb Derrimut--but I am unable to do this. What do you think? Also is there any evidence that he acted as an 'uncle Tom', as it were? I wonder why some individuals resisted whilst others accommadated themselves to Europeans? Any ideas?Lentisco 03:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup in March

I see that you are listed as a participant in the WikiProject Melbourne. If you are a Melbourne resident I would appreciate your views on the suggested Meetup in March . Please give some indication of your interest, or otherwise, in the idea. Even a simple "No thanks" with your user name would be welcome and assist in assessing the level of support for a meetup. Thank you.. Cuddy Wifter 06:30, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Campdrafting.png

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[edit] Brisbane Wikiproject

Hi Tirin. I just dropped by to let you know that I am trying to revive the Brisbane WikiProject of which you are a member. You may have recently noticed the suggested list of tasks on the project page. There’s also a new 'recent activity' section on the project talk page. You might like to add to the list any Brisbane related articles that you've been working on recently to encourage others to join in. If you have any comments on how to improve the project, please share them on the project talk page or on my talk page. Thanks. -- Adz|talk 06:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia survey

Hi. I'm doing a survey of Wikipedia editors as part of a class research project. It's quick, anonymous, and the data will be made available to the Wikipedia community later this month. Would you like to take part? More info here. Thanks! Nonplus 00:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A token of recognition

For your many and varied efforts in creating and improving Australia-related articles, I take pleasure in awarding you the Working Man's Barnstar. Efforts like yours make this a better encyclopedia, frankly. Regards,Colonel Tom 10:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jura Books

Hi, I have created a stub page for Jura Books. I thought you might want to add to the article. AnAn 10:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Tirin, your work is great and if I had a barnstar I would give it to you! As I can see by reading above, you've been very busy working on many good wikis. Thanks again. Alpheus 03:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll second that thank you! Thanks for adding the photo and information to Australian Inland Mission. Blarneytherinosaur 01:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Zarb and Camp Sovereignty

Tirin- I have started these pages. Would appreciate any editorial imput you may have on them. Thanks in advance. Lentisco 07:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Excellent addition to page. Do any 'FREE ZARB!' graffitoes exist still? It would make a relevant pic for page. There was one I can remember outside Macleod station--but that was a long long time ago! Lentisco 05:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conscription in Australia

Very nice 'blood vote' pic. Lentisco 02:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Photo Matching Service

Hi there,

I'm contacting you because you listed yourself at Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Photographers. You might be interested in a new wikiproject page that lists photographers and articles that need photos by location. The page is located at Wikipedia:Photo Matching Service or WP:PMS GabrielF 00:21, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Is your username from The Dispossessed? Great book :)

[edit] Melbourne meetup in planning

Hello, you've indicated that you're interested in future Meetups in Melbourne on this list, so I'm giving you this message to remind you that Melbounre meetup number four is currently in planning. If you haven't already, please go to Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne to suggest possible dates, times and locations. Thanks --Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 02:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)