User talk:Tirid Tirid

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Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need any questions answered about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or drop me a line. BTW, I converted the bmp image you uploaded to a more web browser friendly png format and also downsized it for you. Please do continue improving Philippines -- it needs a lot of work. Cheers! --maveric149

Ummm... where did you get that crest? I'm a Filipino and it's the first time I ever saw that. I'm quite sure that that isn't the coat-of-arms of the Philippines. I have an image here but i have yet to scan it. --seav

Hello Tirid, I have noticed that you have gotten involved in Silesia. As you may know, that page has been under a lot of editing and discussion recently, much of which was less than friendly, and the page repeatedly had to be protected when it became the subject of outright edit wars. I would like to advise you that edit summmaries such as "removed revisionist propaganda" are not likely to contribute to a climate of Wikilove, nor are such edits likely to last long or to improve the page. Also, your two (so far) edits there were both marked "minor", which they definitely weren't, and it is considered very bad style to do this. If you are truly interested in improving that page, please stop marking major, NPOV-related edits as minor, and moderate your language. Otherwise you will very soon be viewed as a partisan or worse, and you will not be likely to achieve anything but trouble. Best regards, Kosebamse 18:30, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:Prussia.JPG. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks much, Kbh3rd 03:43, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks for supporting me in the Gdansk/Danzig conflict. I think we should inform one another every time we receive threats of being blocked/of sites being deleted, etc. Maybe it's time to organise a new voting action and mobilise the Polish users and other supporters of the Gdansk option to act? I'm not a fanatic, I could agree with some points of the Gdansk discussion, but renaming Lwow to Lemberg is way too much. Best greetings! --ish_warsaw 16:51, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

The Vote on Danzig/Gdansk is pretty clear and supports double naming also for places like Eastern Pomerania, which is a is a geographical and historical region. Please do not remove double naming -- Chris 73 Talk 20:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Hallo Tirid

We will need another vote to clear things up on Gdansk vote.Currently the vote can lead to abuses such as naming Warsaw Warschau.--Molobo 23:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't what is going on Witkacy.He was a good contributor.Last time I contacted him he said he had a lot of work.Hopefull he will get back.As to Gdansk vote, for now I see no sense in disputing the main vote(although obviously the time period from 1466 to 1793 should be changed).However for now we should prepare a good thought over vote on seperating other locations from Gdansk.It leds to all sorts of abuses and in fact the current vote would led to naming of all Polish locations by German names since whole Poland was occupied in WW2 by Germany and thus "shares history".The vote doesn't precise what "shares history" means for example(after all Warsaw certainly "shares history" with Germany and thus under the vote it could be named Warschaus just as Poznan could be named Posen). --Molobo 00:12, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

So in conclusion let us begin work and thinking on the "other places" vote, then on period of Gdansk in 1466-1793(you will notice there was majority of votes for naming it Gdansk during that period but admins(and what a surprise it was Chris_73) decided to ignore all 12 votes for Polish name. --Molobo 00:14, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree that "shared history" needs to be further defined to avoid such controversies and I therefore support further discussion of the Gdansk Vote. I am not sure what you mean, however, by "other places". Do you mean proposing a different set of criteria for places other than Gdansk, or something else by that phrase? Olessi 02:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "This will stop the revert war for sure...."

The war on Erika Steinbach is going for months. I think the participants forgot the original reason and only act reflexively now. Pavel Vozenilek 22:52, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Please try not to blindly revert edits as you did here. I made several copyediting corrections to the article which were removed in your revert. If you feel my edits should not be in the article, please discuss the changes at the article's talk page first. Thanks! Olessi 16:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Tirid Tirid and Space Cadet

Some things in wikipedia resemble "tag team wrestling", and one wrestler had made only a few dozens edits in nearly 4 years, taking long breaks in between. Tirid Tirid's first edit ever was in June 2002 on his user page, saying "Contributions, so far: Philippine Crest", regarding some (now deleted) pictures it seems. Yet, to the Philippines, only three edits had been made before June 2002, none that would fit Tirid Tirid's claim, but the fourth edit was made ten minutes after Tirid Tirid had written "Contributions, so far: Philippine Crest". However it was User:Space Cadet who actually made the edit that Tirid Tirid had announced 10min earlier - Tirid Tirid himself would edit the article only one month later. Coincidence maybe, and as wikipedia was rather small back then, the ways of these two now seasoned veterans crossed again ... and again ... and again.

The next series of edits now concerned Polish issues, Warmia . Space Cadet wrote a paragraph about "Wehrwolf", Tirid Tirid then added a paragraph, too. Once Space Cadet's paragraph was removed to the talk page, it was restored by Tirid Tirid, just as as soon Tirid Tirid's paragraph was removed, Space Cadet restored it.

On the talk page of Warmia he demonstrates his English and knowledge. The word defenseless indicates American English. Space Cadet is a native speaker of English and Polish, and according to his user page, he lives in New York. He would second Tirid Tirid's comment.

The next edit concerns Prussia (disambiguation) and comes directly after one by Space Cadet (relevant version history). The next edit reverts User:Nico (relevant version history). On Nico's talk page it seems that Nico, who has left Wikipedia in April 2004, had some problems with the Polish point of view, and trouble also with Space Cadet.

The following two edits give the Polish name a matter priority at the article Royal Prussia. The other name was the German one. The article was even started by Space Cadet who normally doesn't advocate German names (Example).

Tirid Tirid goes on to fix a spelling mistake in a topic related to the Philippines and adds information. Almost one year on, his break ended and another edit was made, correcting a mistake in October 2004. Another break. In January 2005, Space Cadet cast a vote, and so did Tirid Tirid, voting for the same.

At the end of January, Space Cadet made the article Free City of Danzig a redirect in lieu of the article Free City of Gdansk[1]. Around the same time, one day later, so did Tirid Tirid, without an edit summary, too, like Space Cadet.

The next edit was made one year ago. Space Cadet gave the Polish name a matter priority in two article. Tirid Tirid lessened [2] it a little some minutes later. Days later Tirid Tirid removed a German nationality claim of Copernicus. Whether the astronomer was Polish or German or something else is still a source of friction (see Talk:Nicolaus Copernicus). Tirid Tirid participated in the German/Polish naming problems. Three days later Space Cadet decided the nationality of Copernicus was Polish [3].

At the beginning of March two edits concerned the Gdansk/Danzig naming problem. Tirid Tirid then voted for exactly the same combination as Space Cadet in the Gdansk/Danzig vote. Four months break before Tirid Tirid voted for the same option as Space Cadet at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Semitism in Poland. After an inconsiderable edit at Fahrenheit, Tirid Tirid takes a break again.

Then something really unusual happens. Space Cadet simply deletes a sentence from Tirid Tirid's user page. (logged in with the wrong account?) All of a sudden, Tirid Tirid returns from his one-month break and restores the sentence two minutes later, to delete it again one month later.

Four minutes later Tirid Tirid cared for the Gdansk/Danzig naming problem in the article Monastic State of the Teutonic Knights which was started by Space Cadet, three minutes later in a Prussian-related topic [4] (an area where Space Cadet is very knowledgable) and three minutes later in another one [5].

In September, when User:Schwartz und Weiss, who Space Cadet accused of being a sockpuppet of User:Antman meddled in an edit war, Tirid Tirid reverted his version. (It should be mentioned that Space Cadet didn't violated the three revert rule even if the revert is attributed to him.) Two minutes later he changed the German name of Kaliningrad to the Polish one. Again two minutes later he changed his mind about Copernicus (see above) and, like Space Cadet, made him Polish. Three minutes later he undid the change of Schwartz und Weiss in another article, six minutes later in yet another article [6] and some hours later the Gdansk/Danzig tag [7]. Space Cadet agrees.

From 17-19 October, Space Cadet, Tirid Tirid and Molobo dedicated themselves to fighting in the naming war. On October 18, Molobo was blocked for that. Tirid Tirid wrote him on his user page. Molobo answered but how could Tirid Tirid speak with Molobo plainly? Like this?

After another little break, Tirid Tirid supported Molobo in a discussion, and after Space Cadet reverted to Molobo's version for the third time within 24h ([8], [9], [10]), did it once himself. Assuming they're the same, this would evade the three revert rule.

A longer break followed. Recently Space Cadet seems to have received a three revert rule block. On 26th February, Tirid Tirid resumed to reverting [11], and made another mistake, deleting interwiki-links.

Enough - for now. --Matthead 01:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I have added the Template:Sockpuppet to User:Tirid Tirid user page and noticed the two on Requests_for_CheckUser. I also added the headline below to seperate that misplaced entry from the sockpuppet issue here. --Matthead 18:54, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Distraction attempt

Just a note-nothing unusuall happens-Matthead as expected deletes information about Nazi atrocities :[12] --Molobo 02:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think Matthead made a pretty good case. I would definitely like to see some explanation from Space Cadet about this insteresting pattern of edits. Especially his edit of Tirid Tirid's user page. I edit other people's user pages extremely rarely, in most cases only to revert vandalism. What was Space Cadet's reason?
Let's keep in mind that there could be an innocent explanation for all this. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. Balcer 20:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Warto zobaczyć tą dyskusję

[13] --Molobo 16:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimania

Dear Tirid Tirid,

Are you going to Wikimania? If so, I'm wondering if you'd be interested in doing a video interview with us about the Gdansk/Danzig entry. We're making a short educational documentary about Wikipedia for Project New Media Literacies, a MacArthur-funded research initiative at MIT's Comparative Media Studies program. These videos are a series demystifying media production of all sorts for a jr high high school audience. We've done comicbooks, radio, graffiti, blogging. Now we're doing one on Wikipedia. We'd like to focus this video on the process of editing and revisions to a particularly complicated and controversial entry.

We'll be coming to Wikimania, but we'd really like to pre-schedule some interviews so we don't get lost in the excitement of the goings-on. Please have a look at my post on the Media section http://wikimania2006.wikimedia.org/wiki/Media. Please let me know if you're interested (vanbertozzi(at)gmail.com). If you're not, but have ideas for people to interview, I would really appreciate your help! Hope to hear from you soon...Vanessa Vanbertozzi 01:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gdansk/Danzig

by your response it sounded like you were kind of perturbed or angry at my statement, thinking it sarcasm, it was not meant as such. I did not mean for you to need to cite such a source, i believed that you had a source. On that note, the one picture needs a new caption then, as it says: Free City of Danzig, May, 1939. The ethnic German population (absolute majority) express their political preference by flags. displaying Nazi flags, which, if they didn't want to join Germany, is misleading as the majority wouldnt of been pro-nazi then. perhaps we can create a new caption, I don't have any good ideas for it at the moment.

--Jadger 23:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

yes, I understand that, lol, we seem to be on a streak of using the English language in a way that it can be misinterpretted. What I meant is the caption of a picture further down claims that the absolute majority, and in essence, all German inhabitants supported the Nazis, which is false, perhaps it needs rewording.

--Jadger 02:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sock puppet tag

Hi, Tirid Tirid. I'm a bit sick and tired of seing you continuing. Officially, the king Space Cadet is dead (in the sense of "departed"), long live, Tirid Tirid, the new one. The evidence provided above (headlined "Tirid Tirid and Space Cadet") is far more than just enough to presume you and Space Cadet are one and the same and though it looks otherwise, it was probably pretty quickly gathered. I've just had a very quick look at your edits noticing your disputes over Hevelius and Fahrenheit. On Fahrenheit's talk page I've seen a comment by Space Cadet posted several years ago, referring to 'an excellent book by Karin Friedrich called "The Other Prussia"'. Whoa, what a coincidence that someone else knew of the book too. Does this game have to go on? I'll restore the suspicion of Sock puppetry one last time but if you revert again, I won't continue, but consider asking for protection of the user page and suggesting that it may also be a good idea to block this puppet account. Sciurinæ 19:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people know of Karin Friedrich's book, even you, since you say it's excellent. Whoa, what a coincidence, maybe I'm your sock puppet. Tirid Tirid 15:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your dispute over Gabriel Fahrenheit, then looked at the most recent edit at the time, which was Halibutt's, which pointed to the page's discussion page allegedly because this would explain his edit. Since there was no recent comment made and none by him, he could have meant an older comment by someone else. This way I noticed Space Cadet's old edit there and was surprised to recall that you, too, brought up the book that Space Cadet had mentioned.
Look, if you don't know this by now, I haven't read or heard from this book before. I didn't say it was excellent but just quoted Space Cadet as saying so, hence the quotation marks. I don't think it is very well-known by the way. 892 hits in Google aren't that impressive for a book and nor did the book's rank in Amazon.com sales impress me at all. To your defence, I must admit that months ago User:Jadger once referred to another book that Space Cadet, too, had read.
So in conclusion, it is hardly the first time that coincidences like that have happened. But the difference this time is that there is a very large amount of those coincidences (see Matthead's thorough findings) — way, way too many for a person with as few edits as you. And they're not complete — some of your edit summaries, for one, are exactly the same as Space Cadet's, to the letter: "Restored historical truth." is one of Space Cadet's ([14],[15]) and so is "rm anachronism" ([16], [17], [18], [19], [20]). Sciurinæ 09:25, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
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