Talk:Tiraspol

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[edit] Pronounciation

I would like to know how it's pronounced...

When I visited over the summer I learned it was pronounced tear-us-pol, but I'm trying to work out the "official" pronounciation styling for this can anyone point me to a web-link or wiki article to help me, or this way good enough? Jackliddle 22:11, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Romanians would pronounce it with the stress on the next to last sylabe. Tir-rus-pol Bogdan | Talk 18:12, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
That certainly sounds a lot more like what I heard at Chisinau bus station. Should I add this in the to article as you gave it there 20:18, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That's correct, the stress is on the second syllable. And it's pronounced tear-ahs-pol, in Russian. It's probably different in English.

[edit] Census

Does anyone know where we can access the 2005 census where it actually says that Tiraspol has a population of 266.000 people?Constantzeanu 05:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

There is no 2005 census (neither in Moldova nor in Transnistria). It is the 2004 census, see below. - Mauco 19:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
In Russian Wikipedia is told that in 2004 census population was 158069 people, from which 41,6% Russians, 33,0% Ukrainians, 15,2% Moldavians.--MariusM 14:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
The officially released figures are here: http://www.pridnestrovie.net/2004census.html according to which the urban population of Tiraspol is 158,069 people. The difference between that number and the one which we list in the English version of the article is that our number (slightly higher) includes a very small non-urban population as well. Both figures are actually correct. - Mauco 19:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1919 population

Which is the source for the claim that in 1919, 42% of population was Romanian?--MariusM 13:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grenade explosion on 13 August 2006

Here are the sources: Regnum, TiraspolTimes, Moldpres. Which one will it be? I was unable to find anything on the big international news agencies. I guess they're not interested... --Illythr 14:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

List all three, or pick the one which has the most detail. - Mauco 00:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
This is true in this case, with all 3 being in English. If there are foreign language references, English ones get preference. - Mauco 00:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Romanian pronunciation

Is there a need for "Romanian"? It's the same as Russian, English and Greek... In fact, I am not aware of any other ways to pronounce it. --Illythr 14:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, there are more way to pronounce it: 'ti.ras.pol, ti.'ras.pol, ti.ras.'pol (note the stress) :-)
Thing is, I never heard the 1st and 3rd versions. The second one is used in Russian and, consequentally, in English. No sure about Greek, though. :-) --Illythr 16:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Agree. - Mauco 03:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Don't agree.--193.138.127.70 06:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Any reasons? 'Tis inconstructive... --Illythr 10:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
This user is a sock puppet. You can also see him here: [1] All he did was to stalk all of my recent edits. He either deleted them, blanked them or reverted them. He even made an appearance on some talk pages, just to disagree with me (as you can see above). Typical "wiki stalking" from a person who I have had edit disagreements with in the recent past, and who is now out to get me but is too scared to use his own account and then created this sock so as to be able to undo all of my work. - Mauco 15:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Soviet tank -relevance dispute

William, you removed:

In the central square of the city there is a soviet tank, situated in front of the building of the Supreme Soviet

Just wondering: where is that famous Soviet tank located? :-) bogdan 23:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Diagonal to the Supreme Soviet. They let kids climb onto it and play with it. It is kept in very good shape (not rusting). It is painted yearly and often cleaned for dust and so on. It is of course not a working tank. Technically speaking it is also not "Soviet" since it was taken over by PMR and is therefore now a "PMR" tank. :-) - Mauco 23:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I added:

"In the central square of the city there is a soviet tank, situated in front of the building of the Supreme Soviet and one of Lenin's statue.[2]"

Mauco removed it: "rv rubbish"

I think this information is relevant as the tank is a monument in Tiraspol[3]. And not least important, some would see it representative for how militarised Tiraspol is and for the propaganda the Soviet Army enjoys in Tiraspol.Dl.goe

According to who? Most visitors who actually go to Tiraspol are surprised to see how LITTLE militarized it is. They expected something much more militarized, and instead report on how calm it is, they marvel about the leafy lanes, outdoor cafes, and so on. Propaganda for the Soviet Army? No, not true either. The tank is a memorial of the 1992 invasion and has nothing to do with the Soviet army whatsoever. - Mauco 15:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I think we should respect the oppinion of all and keep the information that is relevant to some. Disputed subjects are welcomed to an encyclopedia.
But I don't need complicated speaches. This is a monument of Tiraspol. Why shouldn't the page of Tiraspol contain information about a monument in Tiraspol?Dl.goe
Because, according to your own statement, you want this line included as "representative for how militarised Tiraspol is and for the propaganda the Soviet Army enjoys in Tiraspol" and this is your own POV (which is simply not true). - Mauco 18:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Should I understand that you don't want this information included in the article because some would arrive at conclusions you don't want them to arrive at?Dl.goe 19:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

"September 17, 2006: 97.1% of Transnistria votes for independence in a national referendum, rejecting a measure to join Moldova in a common state.[4]"

I replaced it with:

"September 17, 2006: It was held a national referendum which was criticised by many international organisations. It's result was the independence of Transnistria and the subsequent free association with the Russian Federation[5]"

Mauco removed it: "rv rubbish"

When speaking about a controversed referendum we should first of all say it is controversed, or else the reader would form an oppinion on uncertain information. Also, we should say what resulted in the referendum not what didn't.Dl.goe 09:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Compare the two. The first one has no value judgment. It is neutral. The second one is loaded. Sure, the referendum is maybe controversial (to you, and some others - but not to all). This is why we have an article on it, and we wikilink to it. This is not that article. This article is about Tiraspol. Don't deal with the controversy here, just wikilink to it and handle the controversy over there or you will be content-forking. - Mauco 15:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Would you prefer

"September 17, 2006: It was held a national referendum which wasn't recognised by international organisations such as the OSCE, European Union, GUAM, and some other countries (Bulgaria, Norway, Romania, Ukraine, Turkey, Croatia, Montenegro, Macedonia, Serbia, Albania, Bosnia, Iceland, Norway). It's result was the independence of Transnistria and the subsequent free association with the Russian Federation[6]"

When presenting controversed information we should say they are controversed. Or else, a naive reader would understand just that 91.7 of Transnistrians are against ... If OSCE, European Union, etc are right these numbers are incorect, and the reader would be misleaded. We must include these information to be objective.Dl.goe 17:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Content forking is frowned upon in Wikipedia. Instead, we have wikilinks. We mention the referendum but do not go into greater detail. That is what the main referendum article is for, and the controversy is dealt with there in a lot of detail. I know. I am one of the authors of that article, which itself is the subject of some controversy. - Mauco 19:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
The reader must know it is controversed or else would not seak further information, and would not acces the detailed article.Dl.goe 19:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tatar or Moldavian ?

old Tatarian town called Hagi-bei to guard the western border.

Do you have any source for that? I found that some sources say that it was built in the place of a Moldavian town called "Sucleia". bogdan 20:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

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