Talk:Tirana
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On the Curiosities page linked to from the article, the form 'Et'hem Bey' is used, not 'Ethem Bey' as in the text of the article.
Is there also a mosque called Suleyman Pasha mosque? Or is it the same as Ethem Bey mosque? --Andres
- The Suleyman Pasha mosque is the same as the Ethem Bey mosque. I think Ethem as opposed to Et'hem spelling is more common, which is why I changed it. If/When someone chooses the write an article they can mention both names I guess. Dori 15:29, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)
The mosque of Suleyman Pasha was the largest of the Tirana mosques. It was badly damaged during the Battle of Tirana in 1944 and subseqently demolished. Its site is to the north-east of Etham Bey. (OJG)
How old is the number of inhabitants? The last one I came across is from 1998 when the official number was about 420,000 but the estimated real number was 650,000. Andres 11:55, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I found even the number 700 000:
http://www.colisee.org/article.php3?id_article=238
http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/ata/1999/99-02-14.ata.html
http://www.balkantrade.org/country/albania.htm
http://www.ogonspegeln.se/albania_market.html
http://www.gak.at/article/articleview/1041/1/39/
Andres 12:16, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I don't know as I don't think there has been an official census or anything. Plus, I think the number is in constant flux. Many people have migrated from the North, but it is not known how many. They live in and around Tirana, and many of their "houses" are illegal, so I doubt they would want anything to do with the government (such as letting them know that they came from another city and they are now living there). Dori 13:03, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I see. The problem is that any number of population requires reference at least to the year. Usually the number of people registered is meant. When it is census data or estimation then this is specially noted. As in Tirana the official number is substantially different from the real number, that estimation is important. As far as I know, the current estimation is 700 000. In fact probably the number is greater than that and rapidly increasing. On the other hand, there is bound to be some official number. Andres 14:41, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- OK, changing it to 700,000 estimate. If anyone complains they can change it. Dori 21:43, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- The largest number i've heard is about 800,000 but you never know. 700,000 sounds a reasonable estimate. Xhamlliku
Could anyone confirm that Tirana is really situated on the Ishm? (Should Ishm not be Ishëm or Ishmi? And is Tirana not situated on a tributary of it? Fransvannes 15:42, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- The river running through the city is Lana, but Ishm or one of its tributaries runs through the district (I can't find a decent enough map to verify this and it's been a while since I took my geography class in Albania -- this map (1.2MB) is a bit too detailed). It is either Ishm (indefinite) or Ishmi (definite); I believe Ishëm is a mispelling derived from the way it is pronounced. Dori 16:47, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] About the name!
The whole idea that Suleymon created the town after his victory at Tehran does not hold much weight, nor is it looked at with any truth in Albania today. Venetian records in the early 1400 make mentions of a town in the area called Tirana along with earlier Byzantine records who make mentions of a castle in the area.
An often-repeated explanation is that ‘Tirana’ was so named by Sulejman Pasha, the Turkish military leader at the time of Turkey’s conquest of Persia in the 17th century, after Tehran, the capital of Persia (now Iran). Such a theory would, however, seem to be contradicted by the evidence of Tirana’s name in its current form appearing in a 1418 Venetian document. [http://www.worldmayor.com/worldmayor_2004/tirana_history.html The history of Tirana a fusion of Islamic and Christian influences]
Here is more on the theories of origins of the name
The three hypothesis for the origins of Tirana's name 1- “Tirana “, it is thought that comes from the word “ Theranda”, mentioned in the ancient Greek and Latin sources, that aborigines called Te Ranat, because the field was formed as a result of stiff materials that the waters from the surrounding mountains brought.
2- “Tirana“ comes from “Tirkan“. Tirkan was a castle in Dajti‘s mountainside. Even nowadays, there exist the ruins of this ancient castle that dates with the beginning of the I-century B.C. This is thought to have been the castle that the Byzantium historian Prokop (VI-century) called the Castle of Tirkan.
3- “Tirana“ comes from old Greek, “Tyros” which means dairy. It is thought that this variant remained, because in the field of Tirana, the shepherds of the nearby areas used to trade dairy products.
For the first time Tirana’s name in the nowadays form was mentioned in 1418 in a Venetian document.
For the first time the registration of lands was done under the ottoman invasion in 1431-1432. Tirana had 60 inhabited areas with near 1000 houses and 7300 inhabitants. In the XV -century as Marin Barleti mentions, there was Tirana e Madhe and Tirana e Vogël (Big and Small Tirana).
In the registrations of 1583, the area of Tirana resulted to have 110 inhabited areas, 2900 houses and 20,000 inhabitants.
Sulejman Pasha, whose background was from Mullet, established Tirana in 1614. First, he constructed a mosque, a bakery and a hamam (Turkish sauna). History of Tirana
So should I change this?
[edit] Cleanup
There's been a "cleanup" flag on this article since Nov 2005. I'll have a go, unless there are too many objections. Plan is: add headings commonly used elsewhere (but not slavishly); group the info already there under the headings; sub-ed and tidy; add new info where available and reliable. Note that I don't intend to start by deleting or altering current info. Why me? Why not?! I had a good visit there a couple of years ago and I have no pre-conceptions or agenda. Folks at 137 18:55, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Painted buildings
I suggest the article should say something about Edi Rama's campaign to paint many buildings in bright abstract colours. This attracted quite a lot of international attention. Ben Finn 11:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Inside the City
I think a small part in the District section should be about "the block" as it was and still is an important and lively part of the center of Tirana. Tourism nowadays is on the rise and numerous clubs, disco's and bars open up and close every month and you will never have a dull evening if you go out in Tirana.Eisenreich 23:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
