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[edit] Polish oppression

The polish Pans who civilized Ukraine and Belarus have more right to those articles than anybody else. Pan Space Cadet 18:18, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It depends on how many Eastern Slavic serfs you have and oppress. IMHO Xenia got it right that I should leave the articles on Eastern Europe alone since I personally have only 35 serfs and oppress only half of them (not even every day, I admit...). Perhaps we could establish some wikipedia guideline or rule that would permit to edit an article related to Eastern Europe only if the wikipedian has a certain amount of serfs. Or even better, we could make it a point system: 1 point per every male serf abused, 2 points per every female serf abused, 1 point per every 10 serfs not abused (gender irrelevant here), plus 5 points per every latifundium in Ukraine, Belarus or Russia, 5 additional points for every Orthodox priest expelled from his or hers lands and so on. Whoever gets 100 points - is free to edit. Only true magnates should be allowed, the average Polish pans are not honourable enough.
A similar rule of thumb could be established for Eastern Slavs. They would be allowed to edit the articles on Central Europe. Points for manors looted, Byzantine ships sunk, lakh, zhyd or klekha killed (impaled, of course) or for every female taken captive. To make it easier for younger revolutionaries, we could establish a wiki commission that would check if the person is able to fly the Sacred Red Banner for, let's say, 1 hour. If so - 60 points granted. What do you say? Halibutt 20:37, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)
You've got it all wrong boys. I'm certain dear Xenia was referring to me. Due to a historic quirk of surname Romanization, she thought that this humble хохол had been left in charge of the livestock and serfs. Let me tell you, that would have been a mistake. —Michael Z.
Nyah, that would be totally absurd. Every child knows that we, the Polish pans, are very keen on oppression of Eastern Slavs and that in order to bleed a serf dry, we always place some foreigner, like a Jew or Armenian, in charge. Your name - whatever the romanisation system is used - is still too Slavic. After all nothing beats the fun of seing the poor serfs get angry at a Jew, who in turn gets angry at them. Divide et impera, there's no rule as devilish as that.
But seriously now, I was hoping that the demons of "White Polish pans" are long-dead. Apparently I was wrong... Halibutt 23:56, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Join RWNB!

Hello, TintoRetto! I thought you might be interested in the Russian wikipedians' notice board. Come check it out! We could use more help! KNewman 19:50, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requested_moves#December_22

TintoRetto, I once lost my temper over comments by Mikkalai, but he deserves to be respected for the huge body of valuable contributions he's made to Wikipedia. You on the other hand, are making yourself known for denigrating people and nations.

In discussions, just stick to facts that are supported in literature. Don't write about the participants; this is considered a personal attack. Don't address people by their ethnicity; this is considered prejudiced or racist. Don't indulge in name-calling. This kind of rhetoric waters down your argument, and discredits you and your side of the debate.

—Michael Z. 17:48, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

[edit] The language and your recent move

Dear TintoRetto, while I do not oppose the transfer of Old Ruthenian language to Old East Slavic language, and especially so since both terms seem to be correct, acceptable and compromise, it would definitely not hurt if you proposed such a move on the respective talk page.

Don't get me wrong, but moving the article the day after the proposal of transfer was not accepted by a wiki voting gives a bad impression. Halibutt 16:02, Jan 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ivangorod

Thanks for all your help over at the article. The picture really spruces the article up. AmishCellPhone 23:30, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gontcharova/Larionov/Serebryakova compyright

They are works of Russian painters, exponated in Russian galleries and published in Russian and Soviet catalogs, most of them are from Russian museums. Soviet Union (and Russia) jointed copyright convention quite late, thus all the works exponated before 1973 are Public Domain ouside fSU. Thus, the label:

Public domain
 The works originally published in the Soviet Union before May 27, 1973, were not protected by International Copyright Conventions. It is believed [1] that they belong to the public domain in many countries including the U.S. However in some of the ex-Soviet countries, some of these works might still be protected by copyright.
This image was uploaded under good faith using the above tag: however, it may be under United States copyright if it was first published on or after January 1, 1923 and was still under copyright in a successor state to the Soviet Union on January 1, 1996.[2]
  • The pre-1973-PD reasoning is wrong: The Soviet Union joined the Universal Copyright Convention on May 27, 1973. The UCC very clearly states in its paragraph VII that it applied to all works that were still copyrighted. Hence all Soviet works that were still copyrighted in the USSR in 1973 were internationally protected, even if they were published earlier.
  • Russia joined the Berne Convention on May 13, 1995: Since 1993, Russia had had a copyright law that placed Soviet/Russian works published after 1943 (or 1939 for veterans of WWII) or where the author died later under copyright. Thus a "pre-1973" rule on Soviet works outside Russia is invalid at least since 1995/1996, in the U.S. and also in other members of the Berne Convention.
  • The Supreme Court of the Russian Federation from June 19, 2006. decided (decision (in Russian) that the 50-year copyright term defined in the Russian copyright law of 1993 (No. 5351-1) was retroactive and even restored the copyright on works on which the old 25-year copyright from the old Soviet code had elapsed.
  • There was a legal case on that matter in the US: The case Films by Jove, Inc. v. Berov, 154 F. Supp. 2d (2d Cir. 2001) and 250 F. Supp. 2d 432 (2d Cir. 2003). This was a complicated case about a copyright infringement (committed in the U.S.) on Soviet cartoons. The case was about many different Soviet animated films published from 1936 to 1991. Some of these films were of Cheburashka, which is considered by many people in Russia a kind of national property; the childrens' books that served as the base for these films were written by Eduard Uspensky in 1966. In that case (154 F. Supp. 2d at 448) the court clearly stated that these were "restored works", i.e. works that had their copyright in the U.S. restored under the URAA (17 USC 104A). (see From Itar-TASS to Films by Jove: The Conflict of Laws Revolution in International Copyright)

For further details see Commons:Template talk:PD-Soviet and Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:PD-Soviet.

  1. ^ L.I. Podshibikhin, K.B. Leontiev, Realization of Bern declaration in Russian Federation
  2. ^ 17 U.S.C. §104A

. abakharev 09:33, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

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