User talk:Timur lenk

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Contents 1 Welcome! 1.1 Additional tips 1.2 Be Bold!! 2 Hungarian forint 3 Image 4 Hungarian forint (again) 5 Numbers 6 FYI 7 Barnstar 8 Succession box 9 copyright? 10 Inflation rate 11 Polish banknotes 12 Ding 13 Antarctican dollar AfD 14 Numismatics 15 specification table 16 inflation in infobox 17 Mass or weight? 18 Austro-Hungarian krone paper money 19 untitled message 20 Gallery 21 Hungarian forint

[edit] Welcome!

Joe I 12:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian forint

I presume you are an expert on Hungarian forint? I guess that you took the formatting of German mark. I am in the process of converting all banknote/coin table to something like Polish coins and banknotes. IMHO, it is a better formatting. Please let me know what you think. --Chochopk 00:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

First, thank you for your comment and cleanup, I just added a new parts and did not "reorganize" the whole article, which is a bit messy now...

I just thought there was a lot to improve on the forint article. I copied the German format for the obsolate forint banknotes, and wish to do so with the recent notes - just have to find out the MNB's policy on banknote "publishing". I found the German banknote list pretty organized, so that's why I copied that format. It should be considered what details should be given on a banknote. I don't think color is necessary, but the others are relevant. Other details should be "outsourced" into articles like "100 Hungarian forint banknote (1948-1998)" etc. Believe me, there's a lot to tell about them.

I copied the currency box from Russian ruble and Polish złoty.

I found the precedessor - successor boxes very logical to follow the changes of the currency systems of a certain country. That's why I think the part about the pre-XX century forint should be organized into a separate article, since the money of Austria-Hungary has not much to do with our recent currency system - they just share the same name. There is also a missing Hungarian korona article about the currency used after the WWI. So the row of articles should look like this:

Austro-Hungarian Guld/forint - Austro-Hungarian Krone/korona - Hungarian korona - Hungarian pengő - Hungarian forint (- Euro, hopefully :-)

please tell me your thoughts,

--Timur lenk 07:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Another thing: I will make a list for the coins like the banknotes, just let me take my time :-)

--Timur lenk 07:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I checked again the PLN notes. I think it would be good to create the same layout for the banknote (and coin) lists. Color: If you have the pics of the notes, I don't think there is much reason to give the colors. Printed date: for the 1948-1998 100 forint banknote there is 14 printed dates. And there's many banknotes wich share the same design with many different printing dates, giving only the first is not of too much use as well. So, in my opinion, the issuing date is enough. The printing date(s) together with the watermark (one of the many security features) and a detailed description should be moved into a separate banknote article, something like the Danish two-hundred-kroner bill.

--Timur lenk 08:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Hungarian korona is missing (so is Austrian Krone, post WWI) . It is also on my long list of to-do's. Have you checked out the new succession box? There are numerous in progress here, including Hungarian currencies. As of now, only I am working on that. There is much to be done. And per the guide line, occupation money during WW 1 and 2 must be included, which makes thing further complicated. But I don't think we need separate articles for milpengo and B-pengo. We can just put a few boxes like Yugoslav dinar.

Going back to the subject of table. I don't really insist on placing background color to the table cells. But a text description would still be nice for color-blind readers. You might be wondering why? So if they can't tell the color from the image, they can at least get it from the text, so that they can talk about it with other people. And again, I'm not saying you should strictly follow every column one by one, as the situation could be different from currency to currency. There are more examples at New Taiwan dollar, South Korean won, Japanese yen, and more on some of the Asian currencies. So some may have a column "suspended date" while others don't. All I want to do is to get the formatting uniform, such as the font size, the ordering of the columns. You are, of course, welcome to add columns that are unique to forint, if any. If printed date is not suitable, then please ignore it.

Last, but not least, you are saving progress on the live article page. You can create your own sandbox like User:Timur lenk/Sandbox (but you don't have a user page User:Timur lenk yet). Then once you're done, you can move it to the real page. You can take a look at my own sandbox. --Chochopk 09:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I noticed it happens accidentally. You are right: no need for separate milpengo or bilpengo articles, it was the same currency with higher denominations. I have a complete collection of inflation Pengő series (and many others) so my plan is to scan it all.

I was thinking of colorblinds as well. It is okay to write green or red eg. for the Hungarian 10 and 100 notes, but most modern banknotes are multicolored, so such detailed description of colors might be replaced with 'multicolor' or sg like this. But it is only my opinion. If I have time, I will creat individual articles at least for the forint banknotes, with detaild description (including colors and shades).

thank you for your help and comments!

--Timur lenk 09:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

By the way, do you know that if you upload your images to Commons, then they are available on wikipedia of ALL languages? --Chochopk 09:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not hard. All you need to do is

1. Go to Commons, create an account there.
2. Check out [1] and get a sense of what's already there
3. Upload files there the same way as you would on English wikipedia, preferably with the same filename.
4. Put the right "copyright" tag and [[Category:Hungarian bills]] or [[Category:Hungarian coins]]
5. For your information, some people are in the process of converting "<adjective form of country> bills" categories to "Bills of <country>". The timing of your participation couldn't be any worse =). Apparently, Hungary has not been converted. But I think we can still use the old categories, and the robots will pick it up.
6. Unfortunately, if the same file name both exists on English and Commons, then the one on English will be displayed. To clean up, put {{NCT}} on the English image page (like Image:Sinitic Languages0.gif), and hopefully some admin will delete the copy on English in a few days)

If you have any more questions, I'm more than happy to help! --Chochopk 22:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

All you need to do is to go to the image page on Commons, edit it, and put "[[Category:Hungarian bills]]" at the end. I took the liberty of doing 2 of the 3 images you uploaded. You can try the last one. --Chochopk 23:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian forint (again)

Hi again,

Could you clearify the composition of the current 100 forint? I'm not sure what plated what.

Just a tip. If you wikify the date (like [[31 December]] [[1999]]), then it will be displayed with the style that the (registered) readers choose in their preferences. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)

With your permission, I would like to re-upload (download to my computer, then upload) the images you contributed to English wiki to Commons. And then nofity admins of en wiki to delete the copy on en. (Let me to the laborious work)

--Chochopk 05:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool! If you upload a better image on Commons (with the same file name), then you can request the admins to delete the old copy on en by putting {{NCT}} on the en image page. However, before the admins do so, the page will still show the old one.

How about

Ring: Nickel plated steel

Center: Brass (75% Cu, 25% Zn) plated steel

--Chochopk 07:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I will work on the succession box in a few days. I will need your assistance on some of the facts. And btw, "Category:Hungarian bills" on Commons has been converted to "Category:Bills of Hungary" now. --Chochopk 08:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I can help converting pengo to the standard table. It's just that I have a lot to do on wiki as well as real life. I also created a new category on Commons, "Category:Bills of Austria-Hungary". I think a fixed resolution (like 150 dpi) would be good. --Chochopk 18:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Wow, you already did that! Thanks. --Chochopk 18:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Your scans are very high res. Please disregard what I said about 150 dpi. Just curious, what's your resolution setting? (I will download your contribution!) --Chochopk 18:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Forcing the file size under 100 KB for 300 dpi can would result in low quality (but large) pictures. But I can see that you haven't done that. --Chochopk 19:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean you don't want "1 000 000" and "pengő" to be separated? If that's the case, you can use

1 000 000 pengő

. --Chochopk 19:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Of course, take your time =). It's not like we're on a deadline or something. It's better to deliver good quality than rush into things. About the file size. So file size depends on 2 things, number of pixels & compression ratio (quality). And number of pixels is simply the product of the size of the note, and the resolution. jpeg#Usage demonstrates files of the same resolution with different compression (quality). So basically there's no free lunch. To reduce file size you have to either

1. lower the resolution
2. lower the quality
3. chop parts of the note off (haha)

I think I like 1 better. May I ask what software do you use to save the files? And is there quality setting? --Chochopk 20:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, these images are great. But I found a few that you forgot to categorized. I already took care of that. If you go to your user page on Commons, there is a link "gallery" at the top where you get to see all images you uploaded, and the categories. I might break down Bill of Hungary into pengo and korona. But I think research on succession box has higher priority now. --Chochopk 22:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numbers

Could you help me with some facts? I found contradicting numbers both on wikipedia and on the internet: the inflation rate of July 1946. Some say it's 4.19×10¹⁶%, and some say it's 4.19 quintillion percent (4.19×10¹⁸). Could you find some reliable source to indicate which one is the correct one. (According to my calculation, 4.19×10¹⁶% seems to be more in line with other numbers) --Chochopk 07:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I found out about non-breaking dash. Use

‑ for short dash, ― for long dash

They produce ‑ and ―

--Chochopk 07:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

You wrote

I have found some data on average daily inflation rates: ...; second week of July: 53 214 %

So I assume that means prices increased 532 times per day during the second week of July? This number is way higher than either of my hypothesis. Anyway, I put up a "contradict" sign on hyperinflation to draw more attention, and I put some calculation on the talk page. (if you're interested in numbers) --Chochopk 09:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

For your enjoyment.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Potd/2006-06#4

--Chochopk 09:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I updated the succession box draft. By the way, what denominations were available for adopengo? My catalog says there are 10K, 50K, 100K, 500K, 1M, and 10M (pardon my scientific notation). Is that all? So 1M and 10M would be 0.5 filler and 5 filler? --Chochopk 07:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

You deserve it! --Chochopk 09:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Succession box

I had exactly the same thought as you did. It's hidden somewhere in the inappropriately-long succession box sandbox page. However, I had no choice but to include Bačka, Međimurje, and southern Slovakia (and others). The reason was that Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia were both completely partitioned during WWII. And when people talk about the partition of Czechoslovakia, they usually include 4 parts (at different times though), (Bohemia and Moravia), Slovak Rep. Sudetenland, and southern Slovakia. So that is my reasoning. IMHO, it's just the matter of how to represent it. Now on second thought, I have to reexamine if there are inconsistency between the Ethiopian birr model and the German mark model. Please allow me some time. I'm involved in many things on wiki. --Chochopk 08:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] copyright?

I noticed that you uploaded Image:HUF_10_1975_obverse.jpg from http://aes.iupui.edu/rwise/banknotes/hungary/hun168_f.JPG with a copyright tag saying that you created the image. Did you donate the image to Ron Wise? I was checking because I wanted to put the image into an appropriate category, like Category:Currency images. That way, the image gets tagged as part of the numismatics project. I haven't done the categorization yet, but thought I'd mention it so you know about it if you upload more numismatics images. Ingrid 13:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

It's important to have the correct copyright information on the images. Wikipedia policy is now to delete all images that are not in the public domain. The copyright tag you used implies that it's in the public domain, but it is only released for non-commercial use (which Wikipedia is, but Wikipedia chooses not to keep non-free images). If you update the tags (see Wikipedia:image copyright tags), someone with more knowledge/experience with copyright issues will know how to handle them. Ingrid 19:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I added Template:Money to commons. It's just a copy of the one from en.wikipedia. I assume that's okay to do. I guess I'll hear about it otherwise. Ingrid 20:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I did add it, and it was promptly deleted. Apparently, fair use images are not allowed on commons. So, unless you know that a currency images is PD (that is, the government which produced it releases it, not the person who made the scan/took the picture), it is not allowed on commons. Ingrid 00:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea. I don't know exactly what the copyright law is, or how to phrase it. I'm a native English speaker, and can help you with the phrasing if you know what it should say. If not, perhaps someone at Template talk:Money? Or maybe there's somewhere else to ask. Ingrid 02:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inflation rate

Wow, that's wonderful! Thank you for your help. Once I finished what I have to do in real life in a few days, I can implement dotted lines on succession box. By the way, any numeric information helps. --Chochopk 21:28, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Polish banknotes

Have you checked out Historical coins and banknotes of Poland? Now we have to think of a way to resolve the duplicate images. --Chochopk 04:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I added "Yugoslav krone" to the template "Crown". Regarding navigational boxes of currencies of the same name, Searchme has an interest in that. I will be upgrading my computer during the weekend (for better editing Wikipedia........ yeah right...) If everything goes smooth, it will take less than a day. But if it does not..... --Chochopk 20:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised you haven't seen. There is a list of templates for currencies of the same name at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics. You can also formally join at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Participants. But I guess most people are already aware of your presence. I'm not sure why some of these templates have not been deployed yet. Nor do I know why "thaler" is included in template "dollar", but "peso" has its own template, and yuan/won/yen is neither included in template dollar or has its own template. IMHO, these ancient coins should be placed in a third category like "As a denomination" if it's not a main unit. Dinar is a subunit of Iranian rial, so template dinar has a category called "As subunit". And "As a denomination" applies to the "British Crown coin". --Chochopk 07:39, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you that złoty, florin, and gulden should be put together, just like I would put yuan, won, and yen together (btw, yuan originally refers to the same amount as dollar/peso, 25 gram of silver). I don't know what's stopping people from putting these nav boxes out. I'll drop a message to Searchme to see what's up. Regarding a nax box for dirham, I think there might not be enough (there are only 6 articles). After all, the purpose of the nav box is to navigate easily, and have a general overview. If we create a nav box for any unit that has at least 2 currencies, then there would be too many boxes to manage. And I think the dollar box should be splited into dollar and thaler, with "see also" to one another. --Chochopk 13:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

What about a "Defunct - thaler" category and "Defunct - other" category, so that navigation is easier, while not violating consistency. Btw, there is a vote on infobox style at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics, your vote counts! I think we should color code different type of nav boxes. --Chochopk 13:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ding

A more recent one is concluded at Talk:German mark: use lower case. And since then, I've been following the verdict and working on changing all instance of these German units (not just the articles in currency related topics) to lower case. It's about 80% done now. --Chochopk 10:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

And I still owe you the succession box with invisible lines. --Chochopk 10:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually the convention for a multilingual country is never resolved (or never discussed in the first place?). Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/External resources is a good place to deposit/retrieve numismatic associations. By the way, someone messages me and said

"In Romanian there does not exist the leter "ö". Furthermore, on the banknotes that I have there is written: "penghei" (or "penghel") as a translation in Romanian. So, I not just think, I am convinced that the change should remain."

I'm not sure what the answer really is, since I cannot find a 1 pengő note. --Chochopk 23:35, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I have finished the invisible line on succession box. take a look!! I need some help on the precise date for Czechoslovakia related currency. For example, Czechoslovak koruna says it started on 10 April, 1919, but GFD says February 25, 1919. However, GFD is known to be sloppy on the dates. Czechoslovak koruna also says it ended on 14 March, 1939 and also "For a very short time in 1939 and 1993 it was also the currency in both of separate Czech and Slovak republics". And Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia says it was created on 3/15 and Slovak Republic (WWII) says 3/15.... So I'm confused... --Chochopk 07:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I stumbled across something when I added color to the Hungarian pengő coin table. There was a 2 pengő coins commemorating the 50th anniversary of the death of Liszt. Was it minted and issued in 1936? --Chochopk 11:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Really? where did Dove1950 revert? --Chochopk 23:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I just saw that. --Chochopk 23:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The new table header looks nice, although it means all existing tables have to be changed too. I suggest lumping the coins column (Diameter , Thickness, Weight, Composition, Edge) as "Physical Description" or "Physical Specification". --Chochopk 04:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Quick question, could you provide a link to the 1991 inflation data on Czechoslovak koruna? --Chochopk 10:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is a {{Infobox Note}}. However, when I upgrade the look and feel of {{Infobox Coin}}, I didn't do the same for Infobox Note. I will tweak it during the weekend. --Chochopk 17:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you think the succession box for pengo is ready to push to live? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antarctican dollar AfD

Sorry to spam if you are already aware. But I had to resort to personal message. Someone is trying to delete Antarctican dollar, I tried really hard to make a point at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antarctican dollar. Now I need people to support the "keep" side. Thanks. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numismatics

I must have missed when you signed up, so better late than never. :)

Greetings!! I'd like to welcome you to WikiProject Numismatics. Anything you see that can be improved upon, go for it, anything that is lacking add it, anything that is all together absent, please fill us in. There are quite a few knowledgeable people of both numismatics and wikipedia, in this little project, so don't hesitate to ask. Please be sure to read through the whole of the project pages, as we have just recently started using some of them. Again, welcome.

You can add this to your user page:

{{NumismaticWikiProject-Member}}

Which looks like so:

This user is a member of the Numismatics WikiProject, a WikiProject which aims to expand coverage of numismatics on Wikipedia. Please feel free to join.

Hope this gets you off and contributing to the little project that makes the world go round. If you need anything don't hesitate to ask either me, or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics. See ya :) Joe I 00:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] specification table

I saw your changes on the style guide. It's good. Now I think about it more, I think we should make it a small template, like the coin color template. This way, if the link to the spec table ever needs to be changed, we only need to update one place. So this required massive one-time refactoring. I know, it's a tedious job. To address that, I've created User:Chochopk/Currency article status. I invite you to make changes to it. Currently, the primary problem I see from the infoboxes are

• inflation - new standard - prefer central bank data over CIA factbook
• symbol - need to make sure the correct usage - before/after numerals, with/without space
• arabic local name - need a second opinion to validate

And problems I see from exchange rate template:

• Someone massively add rates with "British Pound" to many currencies, and change all dates to European format. That needs to change. In fact, I have a bigger plan. I want to make a bot that automatically updates the rate. And the configuration of style is actually a wiki article.

--ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to say, I still think the edge of coin should belong to "technical parameters". 95% of the time, it's simply "plain" or "milled". Few actually have inscription on it. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Very well said about coin edge. I'm convinced and I will say no more. Regarding templatify the spec table, I have thought about it for quite some time, but it appears to be unsuitable. Here is the reasons (I may be wrong though). Templates are for "common parts" that are shared among different instances of the "things" (in this case, the tables). The common styles that is shared across these tables are

1. class="wikitable" style="font-size: 90%"
2. ordering of the columns
3. control symbols like {| | !

However, everything being optional and rowspan bring within the table content makes making a template even harder. Not to mention the fact that these common parts described above can hardly be shortened anymore. Any method I can think of will make the instance equally long or even longer than the template-free version, which defeats the purpose of templates. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inflation in infobox

Do you suggest that I put a "method" row in the infobox? It's not hard to do =) --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 15:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I will add it to the infobox.

By the way, I have some suggestions to the spec table.

1. By the same token of coin edge, watermark should be under description.
2. If a column group (e.g. Date of) has only 1 column (e.g. Date of issue) (or Technical parameters - composition). I think we should just make it on cell (rowspan=2, no colspan).

What do you think? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Watermark is something almost every banknote has. There are a number of anti counterfeit devices available, and looking up what a note has and what it does not have may be difficult. The central bank website may say it has hologram, metallic thread, and color shifting ink. But it might also have see-through registration but the website just doesn't mention it. IMHO, the best place to enumerate all security device is the individual note articles, if exists. In the note infobox, I prefer. The note infobox is still under development, not deployed to any actual articles. But I'd rather finish one thing right, and then to move on to the next. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mass or weight?

I agree. I have to confess that I was just too lazy because most of the existing tables were "weight". Check with User:Chochopk/Currency article status if you want to do migration. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 18:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I can start cracking down "weight" during the weekend or something. And I notice something else. Sometimes when the date in a table only has year, but not date. In this case, I don't think we should wiki link it. From the perspective of the currency article, the year of the issuance of a particular coin/note is not significant enough to justify a link, and from the perspective of the year article, it is not significant enough either, and it will pollute the "What links here" list of that year (which is probably already very much polluted and long). Regarding making stub tables, I am more worried about the quality of existing table. For example, User:MeeMo did a poor job on making these tables. For example, s/he simply put the year of the coins s/he owns as "minted year". And in my humble opinion, fixing false data has much higher priority. Please let me know what you think. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 15:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate your effort of replacing weight with mass. However, if you use WP:AWB, the effort would be less. I could do it if you want, but I have to go to work now. And you're right about the date. The only reason to wiki link full date is to enable "user preferred date format". Otherwise, I wouldn't link it either. And I need to discuss the copyright issue with you on email. All you need to do is to put your email in your preference. (And I just spent hours standardizing Somaliland shilling and Pakistani rupee. Yay!) --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 17:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

After so many month, I have finished "multiple printer/mint" on infobox. See [2] and [3] for examples. And may I suggest something bold.

1. On coin/banknote table, put a row that colspan the entire row at the bottom, specifying the language, numeral system, and calendar used. The language used may or may not be exactly the official language(s) of the state. And it may change over time. And language is very much related to politics.
2. When direct quotations (e.g. "MAGYAR ÁLLAMI VÁLTÓPÉNZ", state title, bank title, state motto, etc) are included, the quoted text must be repeated on the reference section
3. Split Hungarian forint to Coins of the Hungarian forint and Banknotes of the Hungarian forint (compliant with Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style), same with Hungarian pengő. I know, the existing coins and banknote articles are mostly NOT compliant with the style guide. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I am not a native speaker myself either. I don't have strong opinion toward any flavor, as long as the project participants agree on one form and actually move toward that. If you wish, you can bring this up to the others. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Austro-Hungarian krone paper money

Hi!
Look here.
Regards, Julo 17:51, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

---

According Polish numismatic pages, try here:

• http://monety.banknoty.pl/countries/poland.html
• http://www.monety.banknoty.pl/marboj/
• http://republika.pl/banknoty/glowna.html

or try from the Google browser with keywords banknoty polskie (Polish bills): http://www.google.pl/search?q=banknoty+polskie&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:pl-PL:official

or, respectively, with keywords monety polskie (Polish coins).

Most of them will be in Polish, but pictures and numbers are international...

Julo 19:16, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] untitled message

I have drafted a newer version of the coin/banknote table at User:Chochopk/Note. Please take a look. It could be useful for A-H krone, where many languages are printed on the notes. As with the naming convention for coin and note articles. I would like to take some time to reconsider. For example, if we use your scheme on USD, then the coin would be "United States dollar coins", and that could be understood as the golden coin that is exactly 1 dollar. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 15:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to admit, I have the tendency to put everything in tables. That's just my programmer nature =) =) =). The footer attributes are intended for something that is common to the series. For the case of Czechoslovak koruna, what you have done with the special column is what I would do too. And my demonstration with calendar system on new Taiwan dollar is probably not good, as $20 and $50 use both. So I'd like to amend the original proposal.

• Language: only if there are more than 1 or different than official or most commonly used. This also applies to the case where there is only 1 language printed, which is one of the multiple official languages. The reason is that the 2 sets are different.
• Calendar system: Like language, substitute official/most commonly used language with CE.
• Numeral system: like above.

About naming convention, what about my original proposal like "Coins of the Hungarian forint". In this construct, the "Hungarian forint" would sound more like a currency system, rather than amount >= 1 forint. The words "paper money" could raise some technicality issue where the notes are polymer.... --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree that something equivalent to "bill" is what we're looking for. After some thought, I think using "banknote" would be ok. You might be wondering, what about "treasury note", "bearer's check", "silver certificate", etc. And I argue that it is OK to use "banknote" most of the time, and substitute with "paper money" or any of the above mentioned terms when necessary. The reason is that they are what they are. It's like we have Prime Minister of Australia and "Prime Minister of many other places". However, there is no "Prime Minister of Germany", the counterpart is the Chancellor of Germany. The current standard is "Banknotes of somewhere" and "Coins of somewhere". However, it seems to me that "Coins of some currency" makes more sense. This change will result in several moves (which has to be done anyway whether the new standard is "of somewhere" or "of some currency"), and a split, that I can think of right now, on Australian coins to coins of pound and of dollar. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 15:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

So... what do you think about my proposed naming scheme? By the way, I fixed the thick border problem of the language-numeral-calendar rows on IE. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 16:02, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gallery

Hi, what do you think about the naming scheme "Gallery of Somewhere's coins" or "Gallery of some currency". I don't feel strongly either way. You have convinced me not to use continental or regional division in favor or national. I hope to resolve the gallery issue (as well as other administrative issue) soon so that we can focus on the real content and not distracted by the annoying AfD.

By the way, can I edit your sandbox? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 11:58, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Ad1: I agree.

Ad2: You are welcome! Maybe this should be a numismatic sandbox rather than my user sandbox so everyone can contribute. Timur lenk 19:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I have your talk page watched. So don't worry about leaving me a message when replying =)

Which set up you do you prefer?

1

• Gallery of coins of the Hungarian forint
• Gallery of paper money of the Hungarian forint
• Gallery of coins of the Hungarian pengő
• Gallery of paper money of the Hungarian pengő
• ...

2

• Gallery of the Hungarian forint
• Gallery of the Hungarian pengő
• Gellery of the Hungarian korona

3

• Gallery of Hungarian coins
• Gallery of Hungarian paper money

There is a numismatic sandbox. But not too many people are using it. I don't really care where to collaborate, as long as it's a collaboration. It will be fun. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:28, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, it is much easier to follow conversations this way. I watch yours too.

To answer your question: It depends on the amount of images. If a bold wikipedian appears and increases the numbers of images for a certain currency, we can rearrange them in separate articles. Anyway, I am not sure how you meant the question: this would be a naming scheme for articles with coin and banknote table, or for the images now being in articles like Gallery of circulating Europe coins. For the former, I suppose they gonna contain more than pictures but many info on the coins/notes. The latter sounds rather a commons article — with the difference that these pictures may not meet the commons' criteria for image licensing. (My dream, or rather aim is to build a useful catalog here for world money.)

I moved the in-process tables to Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Sandbox/Currency table so it won't look like a "private action".

Sorry, I wasn't clear before. I meant article like Gallery of circulating Europe coins. There too many images to build tables in a short amount of time. Sometimes there is only 1 image for an entire series. The gallery appears to be a good place holder. And it can hold images that aren't in commons. I too want to build a useful catalog. My website is http://www.sinobanknote.com/ But it lacks updating since I spend most of my time here. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

It is okay. My opinion is the

• Gallery of Hungarian coins
• Gallery of Hungarian paper money

scheme. Even if there are many images, the final goal is to include them in tables. Until then, they can stay in such a galleries.Timur lenk 22:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian forint

There are some recent additional info on "Demonetisation and Withdrawal" of the forint note. But it actually refers to pre-1997 series, right? And we probably need a source for that. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I will give date of lapse to the banknote table, which will completely cover this part of the article.Timur lenk 18:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)