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Contents 1 1946 2 Endured? 3 Part italian? 4 Licence To Kill loss 5 Welsh AND English?

[edit] 1946

Dalton was born in 1946. Theres a lot of misinformation on this on the Internet (including IMDb) that claims 1944, but it is wrong. See CommanderBond.net, Dalton's authorised website, The Ian Fleming Foundation, MI6.co.uk, Universal Exports, The James Bond International Fan Club, The BBC. I can go on and on here. K1Bond007 04:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not completely convinced. We're only going by which websites say what - nothing exactly concrete. I suspect that 1944 may indeed be correct, as a lot of actors aren't completely honest about their age.--Fallout boy 12:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Dalton did fudge his age. He claimed 1944, but he was born in 1946. I'm sorry, but I doubt the people that known Dalton best are wrong here. K1Bond007 19:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

1944 sounds more believable as that would make him 42 in "The Living Daylights" and 44 in "Licence to Kill", but then Dalton was a heavy smoker which may have caused him to look older. I would be surprised if the well-respected Internet Movie Database got it wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.72 (talk • contribs) .

IMDb is wrong all the time. The information on that site can be added by anyone just like Wikipedia. IMDb just has a check in place so that blatant vandalism never happens. Case and point: [1], IMDb lists Michaël Youn as being in Casino Royale. He's not in the film. It also obviously lists Sebastien Foucan twice for two different spellings of his character's name. K1Bond007 20:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

IMDb is not "just like Wikipedia". Their information is reviewed and requires sourcing before addition. As for Michaël Youn, he isn't in the credits.--Fallout boy 03:57, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

You mean like the sources I just gave you? Anyone can add information, but yeah you're right it gets reviewed, but that doesn't mean the reviewer knows anything either. Don't begin to think that IMDb is infallible. When I made that point about Youn, they were listing him. They also previously listed Michael Giacchino as the composer for the same film a while back and didn't even list Paul Haggis who has been known since 2005 until maybe a couple weeks ago. Look at IMDb: "Staff members gauge the validity of contributed data based on the past reliability of the contributor, as none are themselves experts in all of the significantly varied areas of film history to know what is valid themselves. Given the volume of submissions and the number of volunteers who submit information, it's little wonder that errors abound." -- Even in this interview Dalton claims he was 15 or 16 in 1962. You do the math. K1Bond007 06:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I never meant to imply that I thought IMDb is infallible, but of all the databases I use I almost never see birthdates there that I am certain are wrong. I checked on of the bonus features on The Living Daylights, and he said in an interview that he thought he was too young at 24 in 1968 to play James Bond. As for Pierce, as far as I can tell 1953 is correct, it even says that on his official site (that doesn't make it an undisputable fact, by lying about his age on such a visible place is unlikely).--Fallout boy 23:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Do you know why some say Pierce was born in 1951?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.72 (talk • contribs) .

Not sure what the whole story is there, but I guess he "confided in his friends" that he was 2 years older than the 1953 date. I doubt it's true, but I guess it's possible. His own website says 1953. What reason at this point in his life/career would he have to lie? That's my question. Makes no sense. This has nothing to do with this discussion though. K1Bond007 03:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing up the Dalton age controversy. There have been many celebrities who have knocked a year off their age (Bing Crosby, Charlton Heston etc), but it makes you wonder why somebody would add two years on!

[edit] Endured?

I changed the line "endured the task of playing Rhett Butler" to simply "played Rhett Butler". Dalton was paid five million dollars for that assignment, so it was hardly a matter of endurance, regardless of the reviews.

[edit] Part italian?

in many sites, there is written he is part itallian, but I don't know if it's true or not...

[edit] Licence To Kill loss

Would it be possible for the person who stated that Licence to Kill had lost $22 to cite their source. Allow me to stress that I've read such an article somewhere before so I'm not disputing the validity of the statement. Isn't it odd, however, that a film that cost $36m and grossed $156m at the theatrical box-office made a loss of $22m. Even when you consider that a studio only recovers 40-50% of box office takings (which, in LTK's case, would be $70m-$80m) its still preposterous to think that only $14m of that found its way back to the studio. Even if it did, you can hardly blame Timothy Dalton - its not his fault that only $14m of a $156m+ gross ends up in the hands of the financiers.

The Living Daylights cost $30m and grossed $191m. So, again, how could that make a loss? Given that the Dalton bond films actually grossed a better percentage of their budget than the Brosnan films (ie $191m is over 6 time of $30m - no Brosnan film has grossed 6 times its budget), I find it hard to believe that the Dalton films made losses and the Brosnan ones didn't.

As I said, I've read such assertions before. I just find it very hard to believe. Does anyone else? In light of my argument, wouldn't it be possible for the article to dispute the assertions made? Dar2020 00:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welsh AND English?

Gah. Sorry all, I've just made a change and only after pressing save did I notice the HTML comment (out of place at the top of the infobox) about Englishness. But, having apologised, I actually think it's much better to just say "Welsh-born British" because "Welsh-born English" is inherently confusing. – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 16:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)