Talk:Times Square Church
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[edit] Needs attention
This page is clearly an advertisement for the Times Square Church, and therefore may be subject to deletion under Wikipedia’s policy against such advertisement articles. The use of the first-person perspective, business hours, and mailing address are clear indications that this article serves no purpose other than to advertise. I request that this article be completely rewritten and reformatted to meet Wikipedia’s quality of standards.
The introduction to the article is a direct copy-and-paste from [1] on the Time Square’s website. The Statement of Faith is a direct copy-and-paste from [2]. Using and citing the information from this site is acceptable, but its current format and contents are criteria for deletion. If the article is not revamped soon, it will be tagged for deletion. (Notorious4life 17:45, 1 February 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Contradiction
If the Times Square Church was founded in 1987, as the article's first sentence states, how could it have held services in another location from 1949 to 1989? Either the word "founded" needs to be changed to "built." or there's a discrepancy in the years mentioned.
[edit] Contradiction
The church known as TImes Square Church was founded much earlier then stated, The church occupies what before 1989 was known as the Mark Hellinger Theatre (70.170.57.92 16:06, 1 April 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Apparent Contradiction Resolved
The statement about the church's location was definitely confusing. I reworked it to elucidate the intended meaning, and inserted some additional data.
I have noticed that the page has undergone heavy editing since Notorious4life first raised concerns, and it now seems to be free from the problems that were initially identified. Projection70 06:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I believe the problems are resolved, but I would still like this article to be expanded. I mean, a church located in Times Square with 8,000 members deserves a more noteworthy article. (Notorious4life 21:22, 11 April 2006 (UTC))
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- Yes, it might be good to come up with some additional data to improve the coverage. Many of the questions people usually ask about a particular church are addressed in an official statement of faith. TSC's statement of faith was included verbatim in an earlier version, but was removed partly because of its first-person wording. Maybe if I write the basic tenets of their statement in a journalistic, third-person fashion it would make the article more satisfying for those wanting to research the church's beliefs.
[edit] Proportion of TSC Data to MHT Data
The anonymous user 224.136.120.55 (talk) has been generous in contributing good new material to expand this article. Notorious4life, maybe we should monitor how much more information accumulates in the article regarding the theatre than there is regarding the church. Note that, while the splendid old theater that houses the church definitely is amazing, it might keep the article slightly more orderly/on-topic if we encourage editors to be careful to put some material that is completely specific to the Mark Hellinger Theatre in the appropriate article for that encyclopedic data. I've done some work on that article, and I think some of the data that 224.136.120.55 put here could fit in well over there. If editors take care to keep things on the right pages, it might ensure that the Mark Hellinger Theatre article and the Times Square Church article will remain as two distinct articles rather than as a merged mess of theater/church info.
Even though it's a little weird that much more of the article is now about the theater than about the church that owns it, I can see two ways that this can eventually work itself out. One is that more info on the church will gradually accumulate in the article, such that the article will ultimately feature more information about its actual subject than about the theater. The other, of course, is that some of the info that 224.136.120.55 added could be moved to Mark Hellinger Theatre. Maybe a combination of the two would be reasonable. Down the road, when there is more substantial mix of info, the theater data would look good if formatted into a subheading, but since the part about the theater is currently so much bigger than the part about of the church, I decided not to do it yet, since it would look strange at this point. What do you think? Projection70 00:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
