Talk:Tim Pat Coogan

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Could somebody give a source for recent changes, particularly gay rumours. If nobody does so in a reasonable time then I will revert. PatGallacher 17:42, 2005 August 14 (UTC)

I've done so. It was a garbage addition which isn't even based on a rumour must less fact. FearÉIREANN\^{(caint) 17:55, 14 August 2005 (UTC)}

i hate coogan, hes so pro-de valera, he worked for the irish press for god sake! so with regards to his views on collins DONT listen to them, he doesnt think dev had anything to do with collins's murder, i firmly disagree! (as does a lot of ireland)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.165.161.197 (talk • contribs).

How anyone who has read Coogan's book on de Valera could actually think that Coogan is in any way pro-de Valera is mindboggling!!! As to the second comment, that is utter rubbish. The fact that he had nothing to do with Collins's murder is proven by records from the time and no-one except a few pananoid conspiracy theories on the fringes given even the slightest credence to the idea. Even Collins's family stated categorically that de Valera had absolutely nothing to do with the Commander-in-Chief's death. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 20:08, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

As per Anaraug's suggestions, minor edits made. 216.194.1.38 06:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Compromise

As everyone knows, this article is the frequent target of having POV information inserted repeatedly. Obviously, this goes against Wikipedia policy. However, I feel that the article prior to such edits did not mention that there was any controversy surrounding Mr. Coogan at all, and that this was the cause for such vandalism to occur. The fact that the vandal cited a website and gave quotations is evidence that the controversy is indeed, noteable, and should be mentioned. I feel that if we describe the controversy without supporting either side, that the vandalism should at least decrease, but hopefully go away completely. I do not have expertise in the area of Irish history, but I am willing to work on this article so that it will not only be NPOV, but that also it will not make a random reader feel as if it is missing anything. I feel like the current revision is not POV, but it isn't thorough either. It would be nice for us to discuss the issue here before making drastic edits to the page. --Anaraug 21:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• "Some of his critics" -- which critics, and what are their qualifications to comment on this matter? If the only holder of this viewpoint is an indefinitely banned Wikipedia editor, then it fails WP:N. Demiurge 21:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm working on it. If you want to, change it for now until I find something better, (unless I can't). --Anaraug 21:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• • There *are* critics of TPC out there though none come to mind at the moment. I've no major problem with Anaraug's edits as they stand. - Ali-oops^✍ 21:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• • • The only reason I like mine better is because it is less likely to be vandalized. I know that it isn't perfect, or even that good, but it is my opinion that it will get us by for a few hours/days/whatever until we can come up with something better. I'll leave it up to y'all to put it how you want for now. It was just a suggestion. --Anaraug 21:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• • • Ok. Browsing around some databases at my school library, I found a few book reviews. Several of them (written about several of Coogan's books) say things to the effect of "Coogan tends to overromanticize, but the pictures are great". I also found a book that may detail some complaint against Coogan, De Valera, Fianna Fail and the Irish Press by Mark O'Brien, but I haven't been able to find a free copy of it. A review of that book mentioned that the O'Brien pointed out how Coogan had supported censorship of his opponents while working to get rid of other censorship. I haven't found anything about his "Republican irredentism" or whatever. Still looking for some more recent sources.--Anaraug 22:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)