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This article seems to be a series of cut & paste dumps from a fan site. Much comes from here, where the author seems to have released the work from copyright. Much of the information is trivial, without context, and in interviewer/interviewee format, rather than paragraphs. I had to read far down the page to figure out who this person IS. Joyous 19:21, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
It seems to me the person has only made these bio's as a way of plugging their site. Not all the information is accurate. Alot of it is just speculation.-anon user
This article is entirely my own work, using sources both online and in text. There is very little hard information about any members of Rammstein, not even their own website has any information on them. Yes, I do run a Rammstein website, not the one cited above, that's belongs to a friend; I am a fan, that's how I know about them.
The speculation has been kept down to a minimum, but if every peice of speculation was removed from these bios, you woul have nothing but a date of birth and name...
The sources cited are real, and I can reference them more in depth if required. If you feel they are inappropriate the please remove them -minxfic
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[edit] Wrong link
I just tried to click on the link for Placebo but ended up in the meaning of the word instead. Now, for a temporaly setting I linked it to Placebo (band) instead.
[edit] clean up
I have done some editing to improve the layout of the article. I removed some information as superfluous - such as the fact he hasn't been seen wearing glasses (hardly useful).
Wikipedia policy is to use the surname rather than the forename. I have modified the article accordingly.
Lindemann is currently described as crouching like an in-fielder during concerts. The only issue here is that I don't know what an in-fielder is, and I certainly don't know how one crouches! I assume it's an Americanism of some kind. It may be that a lot of other people won't know either. Can anyone think of an alternative? Slinky Puppet
- I trimmed out some general 'Rammstein' info and moved two of the smaller interview sections to the Quotessection. I also removed the speculation about his children - hardly useful if not verifiable, it's fan site stuff perhaps.
- I'm trying to get the cleanup removed, but I don't feel justified until I can either properly ref the interview section or deal with it in some other way that works. I may move it here to the talk temporarily just so I can complete the article cleanup. Any opinions? --DanielCD 18:31, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I changed the "in-fielder" statement because I am not a fan of baseball, and if I didn't already knew what was being referred to, I wouldn't have pictured it correctly (especially since mention of that he hits his /leg/ was not mentioned). I chose to use the verb "squat" since that seems more universal. ~sonatina
Sounds good to me. --DanielCD 02:28, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
I remember Richard K. B, one of the members of Rammstein once said in a interview that Till had the worst English. I think this also shines through when he sings in English, so I feel that the statement claiming that he speaks excellent English should be changed or removed. I'll look into it though, and try to find out more.
Hmmmmm... Actually, upon meeting Till Lindemann myself, and seeing various interviews with him speaking in English, his English is actually pretty good. He speaks more of British English than American English. Richard, having lived in the US for many years may see Till's English as bad because he is now used to the abbreviated, broken form used in America. Also, my husband is from East Germany as well, and informs me that Till's English is very good. I'm sure this is probably not a big deal, but I just wanted to add my two cents. ~Elizabeth S.
[edit] Interview
[edit] Interview
These quotes are from original interviews with Lindemann between 1996-2002. For a man who dislikes being interviewed, he gives a lot of interviews, and they are quite interesting and give great insight into his thinking. Some minor editing for clarity has been done, but no content has been changed.
[edit] On child abuse, incest, and Rammstein's music
Interviewer: "...Rammstein's like Karl May - you don't have to murder, ravish and dishonor on your own to create lyrics about mangling, abusing children and inbreeding..."
That's exactly the point: you're talking about mangling, abusing children and inbreeding. I wish people would talk about such topics in a much more sensitive way.
My daughter's in an age [12/13 at this time] in which something like that could happen to her ... And that's why I dare to imagine how this would be like. Would my daughter be a victim, I'd cut one of the balls of the perpetrator off or shoot him or something like that. On the other hand, I can sit down in the dark somewhere in a corner of the room and think about what made him do that. And about what made me imagine and maybe understand his urge. These are the two sides: on the one side is the reason, the moral, my perfectly normal life - that's out of question for myself. But then I'm sitting down, I'm closing my eyes and I'm thinking about - for example - that moment the day before yesterday when I felt a particular desire for that adult woman - why shouldn't a person feel such a desire as well? Somebody who can't be blamed because he had been abused in his childhood as well. And he might not be able to judge on what it means to feel that kind of desire for a child. In which way are you going to valuate on that?
Our song "Tier" ("Beast" or "Animal") is about incest. Sex between father and daughter is something that only happens among animals. "Was macht ein Mann; der zwischen Mensch und Tier nicht unterscheiden kann?" ("What does a man do; who can't tell the difference between human and animal?") is something I ask at the beginning of the song. "Er wird zu seinen Tochter gehen... Was tust du, was fühlst du, was bist du, doch nur ein Tier" ("He will go to his daughter... What do you do, what do you feel, what are you, still only an animal.") I have a daughter of twelve I try to raise. And I try very hard to understand how someone can answer to himself for the love he makes with his own child.
I simply cannot imagine that someone would lie on top of his child and be aroused. In the first part, I describe the situation with one conclusion; only animals can do this. There is no difference between animal behaviour and this. In the second part, I ask myself "Was macht die Frau; die zwischen Tier und Mann nicht unterscheiden kann?" ("What does a woman do; who can't tell the difference between an animal and man?") Here, the focus lies on the child who has grown up to be a woman, but has to go through life with the nightmare from her childhood. She writes a letter to herself about her youth. When her father slept with her. She basically became an animal.
The fact is she has been destroyed. It is a cycle: What happens to you in your childhood you have to carry for the rest of your life.
[edit] On his inspirations for lyrics/poems
I try to put myself in the mind of certain people: how do some f**ked up situations happen. I want to enter their brain: a space with brightly colored and black and white cobwebbed nooks and crannies, the ones you don't like to come close to because of the mess you will find. I only try to describe, without attacking. I understand that people can be shocked by that.
Only five minutes ago, I read in a newspaper that we incite people to violence. I have read that before, but the reaction that came closest to me was a letter from a girl that had been raped when she was nine or ten years old. She wrote that she could identify with the song "Weisses Fleisch" - that was also in the index for a short while. I spoke about rape while she couldn't. She had grown up with the idea that she had to keep that period from her youth a secret, and couldn't tell anyone. Through my song, she understood she could talk about it. She was so grateful I had written that song... I still don't understand what people get so excited about.
I have seen in Indonesia what happens to children and prostitutes. And if you would know what happens in this town at night behind the curtains, my lyrics are very innocent. Those little studios and basement steps of the Red Light district, those small S&M shops with cages and whips: how sick is humanity? And in comparison, how little the themes are that I use in my lyrics, or the things I do onstage?
Interviewer: And yet you are obsessed by the things that take place in those little studios and shops because that is what you write about...
That has more to do with the fact that all the other subjects are so dull. It has all been said already! What I hear in German music doesn't grab me by the balls. It is all about love tra la la...
[edit] height
There exist no official height listings for any of the band members,Stop adding them. Whoever is adding them is getting them off of some free site that just added any height they thought the band was.The heights are incorrect.
Till Lindemann's height was listed in an article involving him, his ex-girlfriend and their 4 year daughter. To quote the article:
"He's muscular, broad-shouldered. He is 1,93 meters in height and he weighs 83 kilos. On stage, Rammstein's front-man Till Lindemann (42, "Angel") loves to use a flame-thrower, performs a brutal show to a gloo-my Metal-sound. Just as hard and as high-handed he acts on stage, he is said to behave in private life. This is what his ex-life companion Anja Koeseling (24 years-old) claims. She informed against him - because of bodily harm! The rock-millionaire doesn't pay enough for his daughter, so she sued him for financial support."
It was originally written in German. Lilijana 02:45, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Where is this article? I've never seen it.
it's located at http://www.dasschoenstekind.de/BildamSonntagEnglish.htm now unfortunatly, the site no longer exists so to view the article copy and paste that link into the way back machine www.archive.org an click "take me back" which will then give you a list "Search Results for Jan 01, 1996 - Sep 20, 2005 " any of those links
i.e archive march 17th 2003, this link (ht tp://web.archive.org/web/20030317032905/ht tp://www.dasschoe nstekind.de/BildamSonntagEnglish.htm)will take you to that article. Thats one complete link not two, copy an paste with no brackets, no spaces.
as i say, translated from german. Lilijana 00:42, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
This is not an official link,it's just some fansite. It says so clearly on it's main-page. They most likely got the 6'3 from the one fansite it was first on..Which happened to be a Geocities. Till is not that tall.If Till is 6'3 then Olly must be atleast 6'7..Highly unlikely. I estimate Till's height to be 5'10-6'0. Paul Landers is often commented about as being short by the bandmembers,Such as in Lichtspielhaus. However the site that lists till as 6'3" lists paul at 5'9(An inch above the Average german height for a male). Why would they call paul small if he's above average height? Not because he's skinny,Because most of the mebers are,Schneider,flake,Olly. It's because he is short as in probably 5'5" or so. If Till is indeed 6'3" that would make Paul about about 5'10" or 5'11" not short at all..Which would make no sense. So the whole Till being 6'3"...Olly being 6'7" paul 5'10"...Not possible.
Actually, thats from an interview, so regardless of what site it is posted on, it was originally posted to a magazine/newspaper. Which are still online, however you can find those yourself.
Actually, according to Wikipedia itself, German men average 180.2 cm (5 ft. 10.94 in.) tall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_height
Also, I don't see the above statements proving the heights "not possible". If Landers is called short by other band members, isn't it only natural, considering the fact that he's the shortest of the band?
These are the heights I've typically found given to the band members – I've searched for metric figures in particular, since they're from Germany. Yes, these are from fansites, so I'm not bothering to give any links.
Till Lindemann 190 cm (6 ft. 2¾ in.)
Paul Landers 175 cm (5 ft. 9 in.)
Richard Kruspe-Bernstein 180 cm (5 ft. 11 in.)
Christian Lorenz 190 cm (6 ft. 2¾ in.)
Oliver Riedel 200 cm (6 ft. 6¾ in.)
Christoph Schneider 193 cm (6 ft. 4 in.)
These metric heights are often accompanied by incorrect conversions to Imperial units. I'll admit that these seem oddly round figures, save Schneider, and that the average height of the band is rather... high.
So I did my best to find a comparison picture with someone of known height. I found this picture of Lindemann with Vin Diesel, who's 185 cm (6 ft. 1 in.) by his own account. I'd say he's at least close to the claimed height.
http://www.raketa.cz/kama/img/35446_1_55.jpg
It should be noted though, that many suspect Mr. Diesel of rounding his height up.
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Vin-Diesel-71.html
http://www.celebheights.com/a/7.html
Hope this was any help.
Actuallt that average german height being 5'10 is incorrect,It's sources are also sketchy. Here is a more reliable site. http://www.tallpages.com/uk/index.php?pag=ukstatist.php Which lists the average height in germany for males at 5'8".
Also yes..Vin diesel rounds his height up. Here is a discussion on Vin Diesels height which and they have come to the conclusion based on eyewitness's that he is about 6'0.5" 6 feet one half an inch(I want to mention alot of the people on that site who saw him pegged him at being about 5'10" which is a possibility.)
http://www.celebheights.com/s/Vin-Diesel-71.html See this photograph http://www.rammsteinniccage.com/galleries/group/images/promo/grouppromo_168.jpg Notice Vin is about an inch shorter than Till is. And Vin's height being 6'0.5" that would make till about 6'1.5" not 6'3" which is what was claimed to begin with. But this photograph is also sketchy because schneider appears shorter than till in this shot. These heights.... Till Lindemann 190 cm (6 ft. 2¾ in.)
Paul Landers 175 cm (5 ft. 9 in.)
Richard Kruspe-Bernstein 180 cm (5 ft. 11 in.)
Christian Lorenz 190 cm (6 ft. 2¾ in.)
Oliver Riedel 200 cm (6 ft. 6¾ in.)
Christoph Schneider 193 cm (6 ft. 4 in.)
Are very inaccurate. Schneider is not 6'4"...If he were that tall he would tower over most people he took photographs with,But when he's in photographs espically with women he does not.Here's a random photograph of him with a female fan. http://www.rammsteinniccage.com/galleries/christoph/images/amateur/christophamateur_012.jpg IF schneider is 6'4" that woman must be atleast 6'1"...Highly unlikely,Or maybe all of the rammstein fans are giants too!
So not only do the heights that you listed make no sense...Compaired to known heights of people they just don't add up at all. Not only that...But they come from an unreliable fansite that probably just made up the heights from bad guessing. The following heights make much more sense...
Till Lindemann---6'1.5" Paul Landers---5'6" Richard Kruspe-Bernstein 5'9" Christian Lorenz 6'0"-6'2" Oliver Riedel 6'3"-6'4" Christoph Schneider 6'2" But these heights are also very sketchy and are probably different,But they are a heck of alot closer than the one's that was posted before.
Whoever just edited this completly mangled my post.
You are supposed to do it like this,Not edit under each of my paragraphs. Now it's hard to tell what I wrote and what you wrote. I can't even read what you've wrote since you've done it all wrong.
The fact of the matter is this....The fansites list the members too tall. There aren't any official listings of heights so putting up the members heights in the article would be pointless. Even when speculating the heights they don't add up to the heights listed on most fansights. I also want to add since zero official listings exist,90% of the fansights copy from one another. Posting german or dutch fansites of all places as a source gets you nowhere,Until official heights are posted there is obviously no way to know for sure what their heights are. Even speculating gets completly different numbers(though mine are closer to reality).
The sites that list their heights also usually list their WEIGHTS...How in the HECK could they know the band-members wights? That's completly absurd. The fact is...It's all speculation. Bad speculation at that.
Also you've failed to show how paul is anywhere near 5'9". Posting a photo where kruspe is slouching makes no difference. And as far as the schneider photo goes..They are both standing straight enough to guage heights. If they were to stand back to back straight schneider would be about 3 inches taller. And if he's 6'4 she would be about 6'1. Highly unlikely for a woman. Same with the ridel photo. You claim they are not standing straight,In reality they are standing straight enough to guage height(assuming their feet are flat). And as far as the official german height....1.It makes no difference if it's a german person or not. 2.You're arguing from incrudelity. In reality its alot more reliable than some japanese site. So im not going to really argue this anymore. Until they post official heights or tell their heights in an interview(Theirself),We can not be 100% sure of their height. And the articles on wiki aren't for speculation...espically when it comes to something as trivial as a musicians height.
My Two Cents As I mention above in an earlier edit comment, I met Till Lindemann. There is no way he is 6'3". I'm always amazed when I read that on these fansites. Yes, German men tend to be taller than American men on average, but my husband is 6'6" and Till is much more than a three-inch height difference from my husband. I would guess he is no more than 6'1" - tops. But this is only a guess. ~Elizabeth S.
DO NOT EDIT THIS FRAGMENT...POST ANY RESPONSES IN A NEW FRAGMENT SEPERATED BY "----"
Sorry about the mess, I'm new with this. I deleted my paragraphs now – this was a pointless arguement to begin with. And none of the photos were really any good for this anyway. I'd always thought those stats came from some German music mag, but maybe not. This doesn't still mean I'd agree with everything you've said ;-)
[edit] His music
To the person who created "On child abuse, incest, and Rammstein's music":
Please don't be offended by his lyrics, and if you are so, perhaps you should not allow your daughter to listen to it.
Also, please understand that most likely she enjoys Rammstein music for it's sound, not nescesarily (sp?) for it's lyrics.
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- Uh, dude, that whole thing is an interview with Till. Till was the one talking about how if his "daughter be a victim" he'd "cut one of the balls of the perpetrator off or shoot him or something like that" and such. --Der Sporkmeister 00:53, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] picture
Is the current picture in the article an accurate representation of Lindemann's appearance? Shawnc 08:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, I would say so. -- SoothingR(pour) 10:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yikes. Shawnc 21:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
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- In Rammstein's most recent music video, Rosenrot, Till has a brushcut. You can view the music video online (legally!). ~MDD4696 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Rolled R's
- Another is a tendency to roll his sung "R"s, which is due to the deepness of his singing voice.
Although it even says so in the quote at the bottom, I'm skeptical of this. How can singing deeply cause your tongue to move from [ʁ] or [ɐ] to [r]? --Ptcamn 11:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
- It seems to be a gimmick to me. Shawnc 06:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
that is what the artcle is referring to when itmentions the teutonic "r"s. he says that it is not delibirate and that it comes on when he tries to sing in a deeper, more powerful way. i heard that in aninterview with Rammstein themselves.--Floydiac 22:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone edited the article to indicate that the rolled "R"s are commone to all Germans. I reworded it to be less caustic, but I don't know if it's even true as written. Until that fact is settled, it should at least be written in a professional way. Aerodave 18:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Trilled Rs are certainly not common to all German speakers! Especially German speakers from the Berlin area. Such speakers do exist, but most German Rs are made at the back of the throat, similar to French. However, trilling the R has been common practice in choral, symphonic and opera music. ((unsigned))
As I said, it may or may not be true. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than myself should make a clarifying edit. I tried not to change the factual nature of the content (correct or not), I only wanted to remove the unencyclopedic--and mean--opinion statement. Aerodave 03:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
> Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than myself should make a clarifying edit. -- Being German I can assure you that this rolling R business is utter bullshit. Most Germans, including myself, are unable to produce a rolling R. People from Bavaria are exceptional in that the rolling R is part of their local dialect/accent, but even there not everyone is able to produce that rolling R sound. Till is using the rolling R to 'dramatize' his voice, and it works pretty well if you ask me!
- Rolling Rs is a basic component of speaking german. It just comes naturally to people.
Also, there is no way Till has "club foot" [1] SIGN YOUR DISCUSSIONS -- mando 16:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Rolling Rs is not very common in Germany, only a few dialects use it. --Oagersnap 17:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lindemann's children
I bring into dispute the gender of one of Lindemann's children. It is common knowledge that he has two daughters (Nele, 1985, and Marie-Luise, c.1993) and also a son born c.2000. However, the gender of his other child as well as his/her date of birth are unknown. I recommend that the statement that he has two daughters and two sons be removed and be replaced with a statement along the lines of, "Till has four children: two daughters, a son and a fourth - gender and date of birth unknown" --SaraFL 21:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chris Issak and Milk?
Can anyone cite that quote? It sounds kind of suspicious. Col.clawhammer 20:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Retarded Zombie Move
Does anyone have info about this? Sometimes,as an example,at Mann gegen Mann video,he acts like a spastic zombie.
Anything worth telling about this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.99.45.79 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC).
