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[edit] Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #2

The July issue of the WikiProject Tropical cyclones newsletter is now available. If you wish to receive the full newsletter or no longer be informed of the release of future editions, please add your username to the appropriate section on the mailing list.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User F 22 - sock puppet?

I don't think these users are sock puppets. I don't think they are always contributing usefully but I am not sure if there are grounds to block, and certainly not indefinitely. I had raised the matter at AN/I - see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive115#User: F 22 - Users who exhaust the community's patience - well mine anyway. I don't think I am comfortable with your decision. Can you claify further? Regards--A Y Arktos\talk 23:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Carbine showed up at Wikipedia a few months ago and made a number of inane contributions (some vandalism, the others just plain useless) until he finally got blocked. After having made some socks already, he then began to create several more, usually either with the name "Smugface" or something relating to his interests, i.e. User:M1 carbine. User:Dfrg.msc is a self-admitted friend of Carbine's, and has often been precariously close to an indef block himself, engaging in similar behavior. Having spent plenty of time with both, it's pretty easy to spot another obvious sock... the same images, the same excessive userboxes, the same interests, the same behavior patterns, etc. As sockpuppets are not allowed on Wikipedia except in special cases, I blocked this user. Believe me, there has been a very, very generous amount of patience and goodwill extended towards both users, but neither seems to have understood the purpose of this website and why it's not a playground. I think you'll need to provide some compelling reasons to allow them to continue to fill the servers with more of their inane garbage.
Thanks for informing me of the AN/I thread; I've noted the block there. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 23:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Looking at his contributions (F 22 (talk • contribs), not sure what brought the block on. He has made one or two serious edits. For example: [1] [2][3]OK he didn't fx the caption and itsn't a labrador, but ... I think sock puppet is probably a specific term that doesn't cover groups of friends. Note, I was the poster to AN/I so I fully appreciate the try the community's patience perspective!--A Y Arktos\talk 23:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Spend some more time looking through these two user's contrib histories and tell me again if you think there's not reason to block a sock account by one of them. A few minor edits among a sea of garbage does not a legitimate user make. I understand your concern, but being familiar with both from the start, I don't intend to open the door any to allow them to continue to harass other editors here. Feel free to contest the block if you'd like - I won't consider it insulting or anything of the sort - but when it comes to a repeat vandal who has continually abused the patience and goodwill of others, I don't feel inclined to entertain them. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 23:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your response. Because I had seriously entertained blocking thoughts myself and stepped away from it, I felt I wanted to explore a little further. I did warn the users with reference to WP:Not and tried to deal with some of the images. I don't disagree with the decision but I am not confident about the reason. However, I have no intention of contesting the block any further. Enjoy your break. Regards--A Y Arktos\talk 23:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Heh, I know the feeling, believe me. Image use has been yet another problem with these two. By the way, I should've added that I'm glad that you dropped me a note here - it's reassuring to see another admin to check on reasoning behind a block when he or she feels it may be a rash decision. After all, blocks should always be a last resort. Thanks for watching out for other editors. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 23:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsense

Sorry but when an english wikipedia admim says that while is a relative pronoun....... Ok doesn't that make you laugh??? Well to me sounds funny..... at least. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.59.59.7 (talk • contribs).

Sorry, but I have a policy of no pronoun complaints on my page until you get your punctuations straight. I'll let it slide this time, but believe me, I'm gonna be up all night going over this incident in my head. And "flying buttress" sounds way funnier to me than any relative pronoun does.
Seriously, though, if it's an issue to you, please make sure to make it a construction note on his talk page. Thanks. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 00:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I have underlined this in his talk page, just to me sounded funny when the admin was defending his grammar error in his own talk page...--82.59.59.7 00:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History Merge

I noticed you deleted Tangled Web and Something Jermaine as I requested around 45minutes ago. I was wondering when we can expected the pages to be restored with the page histories from List of Xiaolin Showdown episodes 103 and Something Jermaine (Xiaolin Showdown) respectively.Jay32183 00:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm assuming you mean that you wanted the latter two articles moved to the spaces vacated by the former two. While you mentioned something to that effect in the speedy deletion tags, that job will often be left to the user who added that tags, as any user can do a page move and reversion. I've done both; take a look and see if it's what you had in mind. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 01:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Golden Torch

Hello Tijuana. Starting to understand Wiki. A bit, well maybe a tidge, well OK not much but I do have a blind guide dog. Is Golden Torch ready to be Okeh'd? regards, Docludi

[edit] Speedy Delete vs 5 Day Wait

I saw you tagged at least two of my speedy delete tags with a new header (for example Memorial Day School). The new one seems much more fair; I was wondering if non-admins should be using it also, or is it showing the admin's decision? If I should be using it instead, what is the name (since it was subst'd)? Thanks! — RevRagnarok Talk Contrib Reverts 10:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Trödel/Sandbox1

Can you restore this page - I don't remember requesting that it be deleted - thx --Trödel 18:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I just reviewed because I did ask for a page to be deleted recently User:Trödel/end - perhaps it was transcluded on to my sandbox when I was testing - and you saw it there - sorry for the confustion --Trödel 18:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Restored. NoSeptember 19:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Thx - BTW - transclusion was the problem removing the transcluded template. --Trödel 19:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmm

Smugface's names seem to have run out of creative juice. A pity. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Youth Ministry,

When you have time, I'd appreciate some more specific feedback on my proposals for Youth ministry. See the talk page.

Also, I wonder if I might use your talk page template as a base for my own. Thanks! HellaNorCal 04:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

You're more than welcome to use the setup on my talk page. Most of it was done for me by User:Sango123 as a favor. Note that most of the format is done through a separate page which lays stuff out at the beginning: User:Tijuana Brass/Talk.
On the Youth ministry page, I think you were dead-on about a lot of those issues. I'm glad to work together on getting it evened out some; I'll be kind of off and on for the next few days, but I'll jump in when I have time and will keep an eye on what goes down there and what changes you propose or make. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 05:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Mister. HellaNorCal 06:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Che Guevara in popular culture

Dear Tijuana Brass Why is it that you have felt it necessary to:

  • Revert my edit
  • Delete Superche.jpg? (I assume it was you)

With out asking, warning or even telling me. I will thankyou to provide me witha legitimate answer. Dfrg.msc 06:08, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for your response Tijuana Brass. Due to your explination, I know now my mistake and I will not repeat it. What is the deal for uploading pictures of money? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_dollar#History) AS I now would prefer to ask first rahter than suffer the consequences later.

Dfrg.msc 00:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:PAIN, Reswobslc, Anon 64

I appreciate and accept the counsel posted to my talk page. I replied at User:Reswobslc/Tijuana Brass, mostly to keep our respective talk pages clean. Reswobslc 22:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. See User:Jossi/NPA advice. Do tell me your words are the original, right? Assuming so, is there an award for this? :) Reswobslc 00:56, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for looking into things. I am pleased that it seems to be handled in a gentle and amicable fashion. You left some guidelines for me to read, and I have read them before. I am not sure if this is a signal that you have detected something amiss in my behavior. It is a problem if I am in need of correction because I believed that I have been polite and reasonable. Of course, that could be a blindness. So... Did you observe anything in my conduct, my approach or my intonation that suggested I have been remiss in those areas? If so I would like to know what they are so that I can improve. --Anon 64 01:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My edit to User talk:Yitzhach

No template here; I was just "on"! ;-) - CobaltBlueTony 01:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carbine socks

Another sockpuppet or impersonator has shown up again - User:Smugface the dwarf. Though you might be interested. Kevin 09:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

See, now that's just lazy. What kind of dwarf? Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 15:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Obviously this is the baseline dwarf against which all the others are measured. Kevin 01:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: User page fix

No problem :) — FireFox 15:45, 22 July '06

[edit] I know you are busy but

I am VERY SLOWLY working on the Exmormonism article. I have not made any edits, but I have done a great deal of research, so far focused only on defining the term (it seems very elusive) (if you are interested in going to sleep it is found in archives 5 and perhaps a bit in 4). However, there is an editor who seems to have take Ownership of the article. I actually sort of value that kind of thing, even though it is slightly contrary to wikipedia policy. However, the problem here is that the editor in question rejects NPOV for this article and seems to be promising an edit war in advance. I would appreciate your advice. I am not soliciting action or input on the Talk page of the article as an administrator. Instead, I read your user page and read that you are both a former mormon and someone who takes their Christianity seriously. I suspect you also take the wikipedia guidelines and responsibilities seriously as well. So, I value your advice in that regard. I am looking for suggestions from you on my talk page. I also would appreciate it if you would keep your eye on things around the article but again, I am not seeking a comment there. (Dont take that to mean one would be unwelcome either!)

By the way, that AfD above is really weird. I would have agreed to delete it, but if it is a speciality encyclopedia maybe its ok! Very weird though.

--Anon 64 21:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gary Frill and sockpuppets

Hi, I have moved the discussion from WP:AIV to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Gary Frill. Please report there any more evidence you can find. Thanks. Mushroom (Talk) 13:28, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yoism

The Yoism article you deleted was recreated by an administrator (Jossi) who was apparently unaware of the history. After the deletion process, the article had been redirected by an administrator to Open source religion and kept that way. Jossi used the Open source religion article to recreate the Yoism article and then deleted the open source religion article. The last version of the article that I saw (its history has been deleted and so I do not know if Jossi did more editing on the Yoism article he created before you deleted it) made no sense as an article about Yoism, so I am not questioning your deletion of that article.

During and after the deletion process, however, I was told by many admins that the Yoism article could be recreated when there are external, published references to it. While there are now, I am avoiding being the one to recreate it, as I was too close to it and the fight against its deletion. The question is whether, in the meantime, you can recreate the Yoism article as a redirect to Open source religion? That, after all, was the result of the careful scrutiny the article received late last year, and it remained that way until Jossi's actions last week. Kriegman 12:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Probably a good idea to not be the one to reinstate Yoism too; even if the revised article was an FA candidate, just being attached with your name would have the likely (unfair) consequence of a speedy deletion. Have you kept the revised article in your userspace? Would you provide me with the link to it so I can take a look? Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 16:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I did not keep a copy in my user space because---since it could be linked to from outside of the Wikipedia---I thought it would be seen as a way to circumvent the deletion and to continue to use the Wikipedia for "self promotion." (Was I wrong about that?) I did, however, recreate it on one of the Yoism pages. You can view it here. It can be fairly easily recreated from that source, though it would have been much easier if I kept a copy in Wikipedia format. But as an administrator, can't you access an archived version? Kriegman 16:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC) P.S. I sent this note to Jossi, shortly after he recreated the Yoism article. I was trying to inform him about the history of the article and give him the data needed to meet the critiques voiced during the VfD. (He moved the note to the Yoism talk page, which was subsequently deleted.) Kriegman 16:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, TB. I was wondering if you could clarify the current situation at Yoism and Open source religion. Yoism was deleted and protected, but it appears it was then unprotected long enough for it to be recreated again under two different article names... then protected again. Medtopic 17:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. After Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoism passed, Yoism was deleted. After a couple of reposts, it was then protected for about eight months until a little over a week ago, when User:Jossi, an admin, recreated it using the content from Open source religion, then turning the latter article into a redirect to Yoism (you'll have to ask him for his reasons on that one). Shortly thereafter, another user marked Yoism with a speedy deletion tag as a repost. I came across it from C:CSD and deleted it (and then protected it again), believing it to be another repost. Not long afterwards, User:Kriegman posted the message at the top of this thread informing me of what had happened. Seeing that there had been some changes made to the article, along with new documentation provided by User:Kriegman, I believed that it merited a re-examination at Wikipedia:Deletion review, and added it on. I also advised User:Jossi of my error here.
Hope that's what you were looking for. Let me know if you need more explanation or diffs and I'll track them down. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 20:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

TB, if you think it's appropriate, would you redirect Yoism to Open source religion? That's the way it was after the VfD last year. At least readers coming to the WP for info on Yoism (e.g., from pages like this, see the July 28th entry) would not just hit a dead end. I must say, I didn't understand that deletion review, but I am learning to be less invested in the outcome of a particular issue. Overall the WP process clearly works, even if it is imperfect. If you don't mind my asking, what did you think of the way it went down? Kriegman 19:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

That'd be a logical redirect, consider it done. As far as the process goes... well... I agree that it's a borderline case, but since Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia and has no restriction on space, my personal preference would be to retain the article. I think that Bwith's investigation was well thought out and thorough, and Yoism doesn't seem to be much larger than a tiny academic interest (no offense intended). Even with that said, I prefer keeping an article if it's a borderline case. Sorry that it didn't go your way. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 20:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. It helped. Whether Yoism is of "more than academic interest" (no offense taken) is an empirical question. And Yoans are empiricists, if nothing else ;-) The Yoism web site is getting hundreds of hits every day from Google searches for the word "yoism." I doubt many of them are academics. I don't think this can be used as evidence that Yoism is "important." However, it is clear that many thousands of people (over the course of a year) are looking to find out more about this "yoism" thing; they aren't searching for something more specific and these hits are not coming from a link to specific content. As you note, this is not a paper encyclopedia. What is the harm of having a brief description in the WP? In the AfD in 2003, this issue was argued at length. The decision was to keep the article but to note the limited numbers of participants, i.e., to make sure that readers weren't misled (by the article's inclusion in the WP) into thinking it was of more importance than there was evidence to support. What's wrong with that, i.e., with including things a small but significant number of people want to know about while making sure that inclusion doesn't misrepresent the phenomenon? Anyway, thanks again. Kriegman 22:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Regular Editor"

I think I might just do that :-D

Thanks for all your help and advice, much appreciated!

Adios.--Gainax 18:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] animals in LDS

It's bad form to modify a closed AfD; and doing that doesn't result in getting the result changed. The right thing to do is list the AfD at Deletion Review expressing your concerns. That can actually get the result changed. Phr (talk) 20:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks from Yanksox

 Hey, Tijuana Brass/Archive 4, thanks for supporting my RfA, with a tally of 104/4/7...


I am now an admin!!!


I was and still am very flattered by all the kind comments that I recieved, I will also take into account the comments about how I could improve. I guarantee I will try my best to further assist Wikipedia with the mop. Feel free to drop in and say hi or if you need anything. Again, thank you so much! Yanksox 07:48, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images again.

Yo Bro. Was it you that deleted my WP:NCR images? If so, could you warn me? Its just difficlut to track down those who Blast my children.

Thanks, User:Dfrg.msc 02:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I belive it is both customary and decent to either warn/tell me if you are about to delete uploaded content, so that I can learn from my mistakes and overcome the problem so that the image can stay. Would it not be better if you told me what was the problem and we could fix it? In the stead of you deleting it, telling me what is wrong - me fixing it, and re-uploading the image(s). This has happened before, as your talk page bears wittness.

User:Dfrg.msc 07:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

You've been advised time after time to not upload images without a valid source and license. All three of the recently deleted images had the same tags you've seen before informing you that there's been a problem, and were there for a week before deletion. You've been afforded the decency of warnings, which you choose to ignore. As you've been told several times, by myself and others, Wikipedia is not a place for you to host random images, to post your bizarre comments to article and user pages, and the other activities you and your friend Carbine use it for. This issue is now settled as far as I am concerned; should you feel the need to continue to pursue it, feel free to visit the Administrator's Noticeboard.
As long as you're soliciting information, please remove the image from your signature, as it violates policy as well. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 20:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Yo, Bro. Ah, but I was not informed about the tags on my Userpage, and I don't regulary "do ze rounds" to see what is marked as a target. Ah, well, no matter. Anyway, I was under the impression that the images had a valid source and license, the Reichstag was from Commons and Spidey was a picture taken of a Spiderman model - I feel I have already stated this somewhere? The liscence was self-made. If I resubmit one (or more) of the images, and state this, would it (they) still be illegal? If so, tell me exactly what I am doing wrong and I will follow you instrucion (exactly) so we save some time.
Carbine? Was my friend Carbine, was. How long has it been scince he made an edit? And because we were friends, how does that make him a sockpuppet of me? Actualy, if you have looked, I post random images and bizarre comments (to article and user pages), no longer! I work for a better Wikipedia.
And why would I take this to WP:AN? We are all friends here, and resolutions can be found independently.

Thanks, User:Dfrg.msc 08:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Acrimonious discussions

I agree - I edited my comment just now - and am going to leave them alone a little while - I feel that information intended for editors should not be on the article pages, but I see that they are necessary with merges. Thus, I removed the merge notice since I knew for sure that it would not succeed. Anyway - I'll try to tone it down. --Trödel 23:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Early life of Joseph Smith, Jr.

User:Reswobslc is asserting POV on this featured article -- which is as chock full of weasel words as we probably could manage -- and seemingly threatening an arbitration request. All in a matter of an hour or so. On his talk page, I noticed your caution to him about confrontations on LDS articles. Has this been a real pattern? Best wishes. WBardwin 23:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Carbine and User:Dfrg.msc

Do you know anything that could establish that these two are not the same user? Stifle (talk) 11:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Beyond a suspicion after having dealt with both since they've been here, no. Their interests and edits are very similar, so it's hard to tell. I requested a checkuser, but was declined as I didn't think to include diffs for anyone other than Dfrg.msc when submitting it. I haven't bothered to go back and add them in for a re-try, but if you'd like to see the archived request, it's at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Dfrg.msc.
Personally, I'm less than convinced that this user has turned over a new leaf. He goes on with the numbskullery until he gets enough warnings to get worried, then will make some minor, inconsequential contributions for a while until he gets bored and goes back to the same old garbage. Been there, done that. We'll see if it happens again or if he's seen the light; in any case, he's on my list of editors that I keep an eye on. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets blocked for exhausting the community's patience within a few months time. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 11:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WBC talk page

What you did went way beyond refactoring - you removed comments. CovenantD 14:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you point out specifically what I removed that you see as essential to the ongoing discussions? Refactoring is, at its heart, removing comments, but doing so in a way that it clarifies the talk page — think of it as pulling up weeds. I aimed to remove rants that were not intended to improve the article, but were rather comments such as "Fred Phelps is not Christian!" Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 20:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Machchunk

I don't know if he's actually contributed anything worthwhile to WP, but for your edification, I draw your attention to his recent edit [4] Pete.Hurd 23:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. If he persists much longer, I'll take it to WP:AN/I, since I don't like to be the only one passing out blocks unless it's a severe case. In the meantime, it gives me something interesting to add to my watchlist... Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 01:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I'll take it to AN/I if you prefer, but I'd say he hasn't quite crossed the threshold yet, watching. Pete.Hurd 01:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Let me know when and if you bring it up at AN/I, as I'll be glad to provide a supporting statement. You may want to reference this if it comes to that. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 01:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Youth ministry

So it seems we both have a fairly decent stake in the Youth ministry article I'd like you to clarify some things for me (I've gotten the impression that you've got this much understanding), if you wouldn't mind.

  • The article, before we found it, referred to everything there as Evangelical. Does it also apply to other denominations of Christianity?
  • Have you only experienced Christian Youth ministry? Everyone who's commented on the AfD seems to not know about any other kind of ministering for youth.

Thanks, I hope we can make this something decent. HellaNorCal 06:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the former, in general, much of what was written applies to other Protestant youth ministries. It was clearly written from an evangelical perspective, but with some cleanup, some of it is worth salvaging. For what it's worth, while I haven't done any extensive research into the history of youth ministry, I know that the current movement does have some roots in evangelical churches. But, as we both agree, youth ministry is by no means strictly evangelical.
On the latter, it depends on how we define Christian. Like you mentioned at the AfD, many (if not the majority?) UU's do not refer to themselves as Christians. Ministry is usually a term only used by Christian denominations, though, so we can just work within that self-defining title... I've never heard of Jewish or Ba'hai youth organizations referring to themselves as ministries, although they are functionally similar in some ways.
I have experience with the equivalent of youth ministry in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and some in Catholicism; both define themselves as Christian, but are unique in some ways when comparing them to Protestant groups. And I've personally worked in both Presbyterian and Methodist groups, which have a few unique qualities that can be mentioned as well.
Perhaps we could have the article start off with the usual intro, then go into a more general, interdenominational history and description of youth ministry (which is often an interdenominational field anyways). Then, a section could be dedicated to describing some of the unique features of youth ministries according to denomination, each under its own subheading. For groups within those denominations that are significant, such as some of the UU articles you've written, the Presbyterian Youth Connection, etc., they'll be referenced to there.
How does all this sound? Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 17:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Let's talk over at Talk:Youth ministry. There're two others interested there, and they both have input. By and large I think we all agree on a basic scheme of things. HellaNorCal 20:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war?

Sorry but I find that to be a mischaraterization of the situation. Reverting vandalism, specifically avoidant vandalism of removing the "{{nsd}}" is normal. Besides this image has already been deleted once and absolutely a candidate for speedy deletion under the recreation clause. (→Netscott) 07:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"If there is any doubt at all, switch the article to a reviewable process like Wikipedia:Proposed deletion." - From C:CSD. While I understand that you feel certain on this, and I'm not taking a side either way, I don't think it's an open and shut case and feel that it needs to be reviewed. You're quite welcome to add an IfD tag — doing so will only strengthen your position, and it may very well be found to be speedy deletion criteria by another admin through this — but please stop marking it for speedy deletion. Continuing to do so after an admin has removed the tag can be considered vandalism. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 07:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Edit/conflict - Your involvement is a bit paradoxical... one the one hand you remove a perfect valid {{db-repost}} template but then on the other you're saying that the image isn't even valid where it was displayed. Re-delete the ridiculous and unsourced image and be done with it. (→Netscott) 07:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not interested in taking sides in this dispute, I'm interested in keeping either you or Banzai from abusing process to push your own goals. You both need to step back and cool off before touching this issue. Don't get yourself into trouble that you don't need. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 07:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Well thanks for the {{ifd}} suggestion. That makes a lot of sense. Still... with two valid reasons for speedy deletion and the fact that the image is hardly encyclopedic... it just seems like unecessary process. Thanks again for your cool head in this matter. (→Netscott) 07:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Glad it worked out. I'm not trying to throw up roadblocks for you — like I mentioned on the talk page, I don't think the image has a practical use anyway, regardless of license — I just didn't want the other side to be able to complain that they weren't given a fair chance if the decision goes your way (and I suspect that it will). Let me know if I can help with anything else, especially if you run into problems with reverts of the IfD tag. And thanks for being patient with a stickler for wikiprocess. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 07:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I cited the unencyclopedic nature of the image as well... this image is just a stinker on so many levels. I do however find it a bit unfortunate that in your commentary you've described my reverting of User:Banzai!'s avoidant vandalism as edit warring. My vandalism reverts certainly don't fall under the description of "revert war". Even you must admit that someone's "Friend Clare K." doesn't qualify as a source... It makes sense that we as Wikipedia editors should be vigilant regarding such matters in general but particularly relative to high profile articles like Mel Gibson. The Wikimedia foundation certainly does not need any further legal difficulties stemming from a biography of a living person. (→Netscott) 08:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, yes and no. I agree that images, especially pertaining to high profile articles, merit special scrutiny. But on the other hand, it's good to balance it with patience and some mercy. Copyright issues and licenses are hard for most people to grasp, so it's not surprising when an editor comes up with garbled license descriptions. Unless it's an obvious case of vandalism, malicious intent, or copyright violation, there's not an urgent need to push toward deletion before talking it over with an editor to see if he can come up with the proper information to create a license. It can always be removed from an article during that process. Of course, I'm not saying that I've always followed that procedure perfectly... heh, consider it an ideal.
As far as a revert war goes... if there's two users who are reverting each other over and over in a content dispute, that's a revert war in my book. Not sure what else you'd describe it as. Content disruptes often aren't about who's right and who's wrong, but who wins. I don't mean to step on any toes here, but that's what I saw happening in this case, and when that occurs, things like AGF, NPOV, and civility go out the window. Even if it reaches the right outcome — perhaps in this case, that means the deletion of this image — the means don't really justify the end. Someone leaves angry, we may have lost a potential contributor (or many potential contributors), and it makes editors here look petty. If there's a slightly lengthier way to reach the same result that avoids creating more problems, then in my opinion, we should take that option. The extra effort is worth it. Tijuana Brass¡Épa! 08:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Well thanks for explaining your view. While I understand it [your view]... there was no content dispute but merely a tagging dispute. I think we both can agree that it would have been equally valid to have left the {{nsd}} tag up and allowed for that process to have gone to fruition. What I realize now is that I should not have even bothered with {{nsd}} and reverting it but just went straight to {{db-repost}} and been done with it. There'd certainly have been less arguing about the validity of the repost tag. :-) Here's looking forward to a red Image:IMG 3006 crop.jpg link. Cheers. (→Netscott) 08:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Block

When I don't bypass (fairly easily) the isp proxy, I get the message from MediaWiki:Blockedtext

Even though I'm logged in the block is still applies. Cheers, --BesigedB (talk) 14:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

The unblock was much appreciated.--scareslamfist 16:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Mine too. --Harrison V 18:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Thanks so much for voting, Tijuana Brass!
Thanks so much for your support vote on my request for adminship! With a final vote count of (82/5/0), it succeeded, and I'm now an administrator! I am thrilled with the overwhelming positive support from the community, and sincerely thank you once again for taking your time to voice your opinion. Feel free to contact me with any comments/suggestions in the future!
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[edit] WP:BALLS

Hi there, this is about an older edit of yours [5], when you removed Tanuki from the Complete Bollocks essay. I should explain why I put him there - the figure is known for his disruptiveness, odd humor and for his huge testicles. Cheers! Dr Zak 22:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] September Esperanza Newsletter

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[edit] Sixth Party System

Sixth Party System was an article regarding the U.S. Party Systems, from the nations founding until today. It was deleted, leaving it the only missing piece from the 1st thru the 7th Party Systems.

The Seventh Party System recently survived an AfD. It is illogical to delete a previous party system, leaving an inconsistancy between the First Party System and the Seventh Party System.

Please excuse me if my formatting of this request is somewhat inconsistant. I'm not a habitual undelete requester (in fact this is my first :-) Thank You Joseph 19:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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