Talk:Tiger Roche

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1 A Note on Sources
2 Speculation
3 Military Project and Infobox
4 Real name?
5 Substantial amounts of text taken from another source?
6 Tone

[edit] A Note on Sources

The text of the article from Harper's is identical to that found on the web at http://www.eiretek.org/lemoncms/data/books/60y/chapter10.htm in External Links. Both were presumably written by John Edward Walsh, though the Harper's article has no by-line. An account of Walsh's life, his interest in Roche, and the reasons for his anonymity, can be found here. The Walsh article ends abruptly, but so, apparently, does Roche's known history. Walsh is confused on dates, because he gives the year of Roche's passing to India as 1778, but the year of his subsequent trial as 1776! This was a probably merely an uncaught typographical error. Boylan's account seems to be a direct extract from Walsh's, providing no new details except for corrected dates (which I used) and a sentence explicitly confirming that there is no further information. The account of Somerville-Large also seems to be based largely on Walsh's, though Somerville-Large introduces a few obvious errors (for instance, he claims that Tiger was the younger brother of Sir Boyle Roche, when it is clear from the dates of their births that this is not correct). I suspect that no other sources exist, but I would love to be shown wrong. ubiquity 12:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

Roche's trial was the year of his brother Boyle's election to the Irish Parliament, and a year before Boyle's being made baronet. Tiger might have been a significant embarrassment to his family (who probably thought he was safely on his way to the other side of world, but here he was back in London, on trial for murder!). Could Tiger's complete disappearance be the result of encouragement and incentive from his family? ubiquity 12:49, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military Project and Infobox

I did not sign Tiger up for the Wikipedia Military Biography project, or give him a military infobox, because (a) I don't think enough is known about his military career to provide specifics and (b) his military career was interrupted by scandal and murder. I'd be happy to discuss the matter if anyone cares. ubiquity 15:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real name?

Does any source list his real name? Seems odd to have a long biographical piece and identify only his nickname. Jeff Worthington 16:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I haven't found one, and believe me I've looked. ubiquity 17:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Substantial amounts of text taken from another source?

It would appear to me that almost all of the text is taken from the external link, http://www.eiretek.org/lemoncms/data/books/60y/chapter10.htm. However, this is so blatent that I figure someone must have a release for it. It should probably be posted here, especially with it appearing on the front page.131.107.0.73 17:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see, it was written in 1852. That would explain it. :) 131.107.0.73 17:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I have reduced the amount of text taken from the Walsh link, and added some other sources. However, see my note above (A Note on Sources). It is hard to avoid taking text from Walsh, because basically his is the only source there is.ubiquity 21:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)