Talk:Ticket resale

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I always thought a tout was someone who hung around heavily touristed sites, attempting to make money in one way or the other (usually as a guide) from tourists. Not sure whether to include it in this article or spin off a second one. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I've travelled to India, and there locals referred to hawkers as touts. -- Longhair 05:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and added a section ("Other meanings") about the other type of tout. Actually, I think the first sentence I put in that section could be moved to the top of the article, as it seems to encompass all the various kinds of touts. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 05:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I see that, following the page move, the more generic meaning is now at the tout article. However, that article's talk page was redirected here, which I have undone. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

The arguments against the legality of reselling tickets are unconvincing and don't belong in an objective description unless the obvious (and stronger in my view) counterargument is also mentioned: If the buyer hasn't agreed not to resell it, why shouldn't he?

In any case discussing the law of a couple of individual countries at length seems out of place in an encyclopaedia with a global readership.

I don't quite agree with the legal explanation: a ticket is a proof that a person is entitled to certain services. (and not just a token to facilate the service) SYSS Mouse 04:41, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Can someone add a section on how to buy from scalpers? It's common practice to advertise as "need tickets" when in reality they have tickets, right?

[edit] Buying tickets on behalf of another person?

"the money paid to the organisers is actually paid for the service of attending the event; a buyer cannot resell this because, since it is the organiser (not the buyer) providing the service, the buyer does not have it to sell. The ticket is not a trade good in its own right, but merely a token used to facilitate the process of selling the service; typically selling it on will contravene the original conditions of sale."

The obvious defense or defence is that the original purchaser was buying the tickets on behalf of another person who intended to attend the event. Otherwise, it would be prohibited for a person to buy tickets for other members of the person's family. How have courts interpreted this? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 22:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I always thought it was illegal to resell a ticket for less than the actual face value on that ticket, because of possible financial harm to the legitimate venue ticket box office. It was my understanding that it is legal to resell or 'scalp' tickets as long as you are reselling at, or above, the original face value of the ticket, since the ticket window from the venue still got whatever price they originally demanded for that seat. Has anyone heard of this legality before? If so, please post and incorporate into the article. I may have read this in an Economics textbook somewhere during college ...

[edit] POV

removed the following as POV (borderline, but it could use revision): "However, these arguments are best decided by local and state laws and there’s no getting around the fact that a market exists for the reselling of tickets at market value."