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[edit] The page as it is now

This is a not an encyclopedic article. The sources are presented in an advertisement style. If you want to source something, then give a link, don't just say MTV said so. It actually does not add to the article to list who said what as it comes off more as advertisement for the source. It does make sense to use Roadrunner Records, since they are the record label, but MTV has no real connection to the band. Further, until more than just an advertisement is present, I'm not even sure this should be an article. I'm going to revert to my last edit in hopes that this page as it is now will be noted as an advertisement. I also hope the rest of the page is cleaned up so that it doesn't come off as pure speculation. marnues 18:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Can we really say that is the picture for the album cover? That particular album cover has been banned, so it won't be the one the album will have, a new one will be released. Then again, I suposse we could have that one UNTIL the new one is released. The Haunted Angel 12:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Ignore what I said, I have just discovered this is not the banned cover. The Haunted Angel 12:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Where IS the banned cover and why does the article say "see box" when what's in the box is NOT the banned cover? -Iopq 10:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, I didn't write it =\ But I think it is generraly assumed that this is the banned cover because its the only one we have seen, but the [www.creadleoffilth.com Cradle of Filth] site specificly states that this is the 'legal' cover. I am assuming they will show the banned version either on the site, in the Thornography booklet, or both. The Haunted Angel 11:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand what the problem is. That section says, and has always said, "A second album cover has now been released (see box)". How is that unclear? There's no suggestion at all that the cover in the box is the "banned" one. --Cardinal Wurzel 12:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

It's because I thought that this was the banned cover, but I have found out that it is not. After a short conversation with Sarah Jezebel at Download (which I am orgasmic about) it is unknown why the original was banned, aparently it was just a little more harsh then this one. The banned cover is yet to be revealed, there is no dispute. The Haunted Angel 00:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Libertina Grimm

The "Libertina Grimm" that surfaced is just "Limbs" from Agalloch's new CD. Mislabelled on LimeWire and such like so many other fkn Cradle songs, so I added that little note. --R-Tiztik 22:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Temptation

Temptation on Thornography is performed with a female vocalist, but it says Stay had Liv Kristne. could it be that Temptation is really the track featuring Kristne or maybe both? (i doubt both but who knows?)--R-Tiztik 02:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Haven't heard it yet, but that report came from Cradle's official website. It's in one of the Thornography studio updates - have a look. Cardinal Wurzel 06:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
It could be Jezebel Deva.. but the female vocals sound a bit more punk-ish and faster then any of her other parts in Cradle.. doesnt really sound like its her. --R-Tiztik 20:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I've found the relevent paragraph - it's in "Studio Update 2" at www.cradleoffilth.com. The female vocals on Temptation are by Harry from Dirty Harry (myspace.com/dirtyharryrocks):

  • "Of the other two covers, there is news. We have decided to undertake the following tracks....'Stay' by Shakespeare's Sister, which will be see Liv Kristine again sharing vocal duties and 'Temptation' by eighties new wavers Heaven 17, which will also see Harry (formally of 'Dirty Harry') guest. These songs were chosen mainly for their challenge rather than their gay icon status and the need to tackle other more predictable cover versions... these things breaking up the studio session like a breath of foetid air when they're attacked with a certain flair of creativity..." Cardinal Wurzel 20:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Now it makes sense lol. --R-Tiztik 23:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Metal??

i'm not entirely sure this classes under Black Metal?

It's not meant to be, but some idiots keep changing the damn genre. I'll fix it. The Haunted Angel 12:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Now someone changed the genre to Heavy Metal -_-
I know, fixed. Bloody ignorant ass's. The Haunted Angel 11:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I added a "<!- - PLEASE READ THE TALK PAGE BEFORE CHANGING! - ->" to the Crossover part so that hopefully people are gonna think twice or pay any attention to this dispute. --R-Tiztik 22:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Stay"?

If the interview in the new Cradle website is correct, then the track "Stay" WAS recorded.. --R-Tiztik 21:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, they mention recording it with Sarah Jezebel Deva. That doesn't contradict anything we've said... Cardinal Wurzel 21:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, shit, didnt realize that lol--R-Tiztik 01:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Banned artwork

I just got home from picking up Thornography and I just wanted to clarify that the banned artwork isn't found anywhere in the CD booklet or inlay, like was hoped. --R-Tiztik 22:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crossover?

I see no mention anywhere of the justification of classifying this album as "Crossover". A crossover from what to what? It definitely needs more clarification. I recommend switching the genre to Extreme metal.

Cparker 19:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunatly, we cannot give Cradle a definate genre for any of their albums save the early stuff, lest it becomes POV. The Haunted Angel (The Forest Whispers My Name) 21:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Why not "heavy metal"? Or, at the very, very least, "rock"? No one debates that much, at least, and at least it is more specific than "crossover", which could mean crossover of blues and disco for all the reader knows. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.238.170.154 (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
Another thing. The "crossover" link links to a paragraph in an article which begins by discussing '80s crossover thrash...god forbid someone clicks the link and thinks Cradle of Filth is crossover thrash! The genre really needs to be listed as "heavy metal" or something, to avoid confusion.

PearlTheater 04:24, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

It links to a paragraph titled "Crossover as Music of Mixed Genres" which then describes several examples. It's not perfect, but the inference is fairly clear I think. It's not rocket science. Cardinal Wurzel 12:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not Dark Metal? -- CecilK 19:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Dark Metal is something I thought Cradle being for a good while, unfortunatly they don't compltetly fall into that genre, not even this album. The Haunted Angel (The Forest Whispers My Name) 19:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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